Civs That make you Start Over

[isau]

Declare war on him and capture the city states. Bribe him into world wars and bribe others into attacking him until the world despises him. While he's at war he can't trade effectively. He puts up a fight but dealing with him is doable, even if the DV is a little too easy right now.

 

[Tibbz]

Greece is fine bro.

Played Greece Diety AI many times and have had no problems. Do not let them run away because yes they will win diplo victory. Instead try getting them involved in multiple wars if they are across the map or attack them yourself if they are bordering you.

Also spending resources to align yourself with city states and doing their quests is a vital portion of the game. I feel like most people who complain about DV neglect to do this. If you spend resources and go out of your way to do the quests when possible you should never be losing to a DV even against some1 like Greece on Diety.

 

[darkpigraph]

In response to the original question, my last reroll happened when my warrior saw the shoshone capital's border on turn 3. I just hate how quickly he gobbles up massive chunks of the map.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

im not sure if a mod has been made to do this, but since vanilla this has been a longstanding gripe that players can't keep civs random while excluding others. it is still one of those changes that vexes me to no end that they havent done this. a simple exclusion check box for civs you dont want would be awesome.

 

[darkskies]

im not sure if a mod has been made to do this, but since vanilla this has been a longstanding gripe that players can't keep civs random while excluding others. it is still one of those changes that vexes me to no end that they havent done this. a simple exclusion check box for civs you dont want would be awesome.

Get the Really Advanced Setup mod, it let's you exclude anyone you want and have the rest be random. Only problem is it is tempting while you are at it to maybe just give yourself a free starting tech or 3 and maybe a bit culture and faith and...which is why I only use this mod when first moving to the next level .

 

[Guandao]

I have quit games because Ramkhamhaeng, Darius and Hiawatha declared war on me in different games. Especially in Gods and Kings. They usually have a sprawling empire (Rammy starts founding Mayan and Carthaginian cities for example) and a tech lead. I dread having any of the three as a neighbor.

 

[Rohili]

I don't find any civ to be so overpowered that I have to start over just because they are in my game.

About Greece, I don't see what the fuss is about. By the mid-late game, you should be leading in science/culture/faith/whatever and completing CS quests without even trying, thus giving you lots of free influence. You should generally also be raking in lots of cash. If that's not enough to beat Greece, then maybe you should drop a difficulty level.

 

[joshua43214]

I don't find any civ to be so overpowered that I have to start over just because they are in my game.

About Greece, I don't see what the fuss is about. By the mid-late game, you should be leading in science/culture/faith/whatever and completing CS quests without even trying, thus giving you lots of free influence. You should generally also be raking in lots of cash. If that's not enough to beat Greece, then maybe you should drop a difficulty level.

If you have not had Greece (or any AI for that example) pull an impossible coup and drop you 300 influence with a CS then maybe your not playing on a high enough difficulty

I have seen him with 30k gold and >250gpt before, you are simply not going to compete with him for influence no matter how many quests you do.

I started the thread because I was in OCC and got him 3 times in a row. You are simply never going to drive through an SV before the world leader vote in OCC, and only drive through a CV with gods own luck.

 

[Rohili]

If you have not had Greece (or any AI for that example) pull an impossible coup and drop you 300 influence with a CS then maybe your not playing on a high enough difficulty

That makes no sense. Why should I play on a difficulty level where I cannot keep up with the AI?

I have seen him with 30k gold and >250gpt before, you are simply not going to compete with him for influence no matter how many quests you do.

250 GPT is trivial. I usually have 400-800GPT in the mid- to late-game (around the time city-state votes start to count).

I started the thread because I was in OCC and got him 3 times in a row. You are simply never going to drive through an SV before the world leader vote in OCC, and only drive through a CV with gods own luck.

It's called a one city challenge for a reason; it is meant to be challenging. You can't accuse a civ for being overpowered when you have artificially crimped your ability to keep up with that civ. Your complaint would only be valid if Alex was unstoppable even if you were playing on an equal footing.

 

[troublmaker]

I played two games in a row as Ethiopia and in both games Greece just spanked me hard. He was too far away from me for me to declare war on him and take advantage of being a slightly smaller empire and he just ran over his local neighbor. Since his neighbor stopped existing there was no one to compete against him in the diplomatic arena and in 5 turns... he won the whole game.

 

[Ximixanga]

I don't have any experience playing against civs that make me want to start over but there are a few that I know I'm going to have a tough time dealing with if I know I'm going to find myself in a game with. Not quite game-ending, but rather strategy-shifting since it practically forces you to stop whatever you were planning beforehand and focus on this one Civ in some way. There aren't many, but these civs give me the toughest times:

• Attila the Hun of The Huns - If you start next to him, a war is practically guaranteed. A real early-game game-shifter. If you ignore him, you do so at your own peril. His boldness combined with the rise in power ranking his battering rams give him make him much more eager to go to war with you as soon as he can.
• Gandhi of India - While he's not likely to outright declare war against you, he is still a very annoying opponent. He tends to be a wonder-hog and ramp up his culture game to an almost unmatchable point. He also tends to make lots of friends that end up denouncing you forever if you so much as dare to harm a fly.
• Ramkhamhaeng of Siam - He hates war. He hates it when you compete for the favor of city states. He hates it when you build wonders. He hates the fact that you exist on the same planet as him. He hates anything that prevents him from expanding his empire or his influence. And he will let you know it. Stampy-stamp spam not-withstanding, he is just plain annoying.
• Pacal of Maya - One word: Missionaries. Pac-man here loves to spread his religion. Almost to an absurd degree. He will target all the faith-giving and religion boosting wonders that he can while he spams missionaries as fast as he can put them out. Otherwise he tends to be a one-trick pony and hardly ever advances very much before someone puts him out of his misery. It's tough to compete religion-wise against him.
• Bismarck of Germany, Suleiman of Ottomans, and Napoleon of France - I have to call this one a tie and bunch them together, because they are very good at what they do. That is, take over the world and run away with the game. I don't know if it is just me but these three almost always end up taking a huge lead and lots of land throughout most of the game. Napoleon's new UA means he's somewhat less of a threat culture-wise but he is still going to be one of the larger threats if left alone and unchecked. Bismark just rampages with his armies and Sully is a scarily effective warmonger.

Anyone not listed doesn't seem to make me reconsider my strategy very often, but some others do come close to the level of annoyance the aforementioned civs give me. Honorable mentions to Kamehameha of Polynesia, Pocatello of the Shoshone, Enrico of Venice, Shaka of the Zulu, and Ahmad of Morocco. Most of the BNW civs greatly annoy me for some reason.

 

[Jampine]

Venice and Austria are pet hates of mine, especially when I was going for a DV. The main reason I hat them is not because the UA exists, but rather HOW they use it. When you're playing as them, its wise to only grab city states that won't help much, like culture and faith ones, and militaristic states that units have expired, or are undesirable (AKA Landsiehks) However, when the AI is in charge, its CITY STATES HOM NOM NOM NOOMMM. They'll just eat the nearest ones up, even if its the only mercantile one on the globe! So when I see a city state offering hussars, I get an awesome feeling.

Two civs with the opposite affect are Sweden, as they are good to have on your side, and Spain, for petty revenge! (Spain slammed me quite hard one game, denouncing me 1 turn after I met them, and then setting off to kill of my city state allies, resulting in a massive butt kicking for them.) Spain also seems to expand rapidly towards me which also adds fuel to the bonfire of my hate towards them.

 

[Talcove]

China.
I've played the Earth map three times. Two of those times, China was on the map. Both of those times, China beat me to the science victory. Now, when I see China, I either rage-restart, or I try to wipe them out as fast as possible.

 

[Spiral]

I've never restarted on account of Greece, but I definitely feel your pain. I've been known to exclaim "%@#! Greece again!?!?!"

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

I don't know about certain civs making me restart but there are a few that annoy the crap out of me.

Greece- I'll jump on the "Alex stinks to play against" train. I used to like seeing him on king and lower. You could denounce him right away and earn brownie points with all the other known civs because his CS mongering ways usually ruffle everyone else's feathers too. On higher difficulties he has the GPT and troops to back it up and turns into more than a minor nuisance even when he's at war with everyone.

Siam- Pretty much the same reasons Ximixanga listed. He seems to exist just to denounce you if you build wonders, expand, warmonger, buy CSs or pretty much do anything that will lead to winning the game.

India, Polynesia, Byzantium and Egypt- Wonder Wh***s. I don't build a ton of wonders, usually just ones that will get me to a specific goal but I hate how one or two civs eat up all the wonders whether it will do them any good or not. Usually it's one of these 4. I almost always feel compelled to steal their capitals even if I'm planning on playing peacefully.

Austria- Should be self explanatory. Nothing worse than completing quests or buying a CS just to have her DM it. I'd include Venice here too but Enrico's swiss cheese UA has so many weak spots he's really easy to neutralize as long as you do it early.

 

[ilik]

Choose all your civs.......it would take out the surprise but if you are that frustated then I guess so.

 

[PreLynMax]

Attilda, Alexander, Elizabeth, Genghis Khan, and Napoleon.

These three are annoying warmongering <snip>ers that should never be in my games, but I allow anyway. I just stock up troops to prepare to take out instantly.

 

[Zyrus4tw]

Venice and Austria are the most annoying ones, hate how they can just take over City States and you can't do anything about it, if you could liberate the City State I'd just do that, but you can't.

Alex usually isn't a problem, just wipe him off the map if he gets annoying.

 

[Karmah]

So, basically a thread whining about Greece putting up a challenge. Cool stuff.

My feeling too !

 

[ense7en]

I don't really start over due to civs, but Venice really pisses me off.

There's nothing worse than seeing a Great Merchant wandering into your allied Mercantile city state

In my current game as Portugal, my "friend" Venice has kindly eaten the only two Mercantile CSes nearby on the map.

Any civ who missionary/prophet spams like wild. Spain seems to love doing this to me.
It gets extremely annoying rotating units to block said spam.