Clashing of Empires - A standard map version of Rhye's Civilization Expanded

[narmox]

2 other things I noticed:

- Change the Search Folders in Scenario Properties to point to CoE v32 instead of v31, cuz all the new civilopedia entries don't work
- carthaginians can't build Phoenician Biremes, only Scout Boats...

Hopefully there's nothing else, but I wouldn't count on it by this point - I've only played with Mongolia and Carthage so far.. And don't feel bad, you should be happy that people are using your mod and finding out these bugs quickly

 

[V. Soma]

I correct the v31-thing NOW.

Carthage will not get Biremes, they already have 2 UUs....

 

[V. Soma]

ATTENTION!
POST TO THE 15 PERSONS WHO ALREADY DOWNLOADED v32

There was a problem with Civpedia in v32
(As narmox pointed this out to me),
SO
now it is fixed quickly and
a new and hopefully trouble-free version is up
on first page...

SORRY for this inconvenience and my fumbling...

Soma

 

[V. Soma]

...and indeed, I am happy that "people use my mod and find out bugs quickly"

 

[V. Soma]

I began a "test" game with Zulus,
by AD 300 I have conquered Ethiopia and
now attack Joruba in alliance with Carthage...

Well, it is a rude figthing one, but hey, I am Shaka or what...
I quite enjoy it so far...

 

[narmox]

Nice nice.. I rarely play as the Zulus I should try them in this mod. Though now i'm playing as Carthage, and the Zulus got destroyed by Ethiopia The Scandinavians massacred the Romans (when I made an alliance with Rome against Scandinavia) who now have only 3 cities left, and no Pax Romana yet, so I'm preparing to invade them with my knights and fanatics....

 

[Riker]

uff, I made a ROP with scandinavia and my about 35 calvary/lancer were able to reach Rome in 6 turns and Rome (the city) in some turns more. They failed, i think leaving only few defenders alive. I need to prepare a new striking force, there are still about 50 turns, so I have time to build tanks and wipe them out. And then I'll try 32

 

[V. Soma]

What a messacre that could be, Riker
What about Rome winning by culture? Do you really have that 50 turns?

My game with the Zulu is in 1250,
and I am learning Magnetism, 15 more turns...
I couldn't wipe out Joruba, those axemen are defending/attacking well
In fact, I got only one city from them...
Yet I now have 2nd largest land and a slight lead in tech.

 

[narmox]

Magnetism in 1250? ouch.. I just got it in the 1800's lol. Playing at Monarch level, and I'm not the most advanced in tech.. No more Rome I'm trying to invade the Celts, but their Crossbowmen are tough, even for my Cavalry! Invasion failed!!!

Playing as Carthage seems tough for some reason, compared to Mongolia. It's like I have nearly no production and can barely keep up in science and military production against other civilizations. Maybe my style of play needs adjusting (though it did quite well with Mongolia!)

 

[V. Soma]

Magnetism in 1250? ouch.. I just got it in the 1800's lol.

Rhye's Civ and therefore CoE is designed to meet
historical reality on EMPEROR level...
btw my Magnetism with the Zulu will be finished only in the 1300s...

Playing as Carthage seems tough for some reason, compared to Mongolia.

How was your game with the Mongols?
I think that Mongols are also not easy...

With Carthage: get the land of the Nile, it gives lots of money...
(Oh, yes, you need to have Forbidden Palace,
or maybe Palace moved near)

 

[V. Soma]

Reading the above reports, I like it that AI has well defended cities...

What I don't like is that Rome forgot about Pax Romana...
In my Zulu game Rome also skipped this wonder,
and now builds Leaning Tower...
Umm, we need more experience about how Pax Romana "happens"...
(In v32, I lowered its culture value from 5 to 2,
but it cannot be the reason, can it?)

 

[narmox]

It could be the reason, I played a v31 I fixed myself, and Rome did build Pax Romana, now in v32 they haven't built it at all in all 3 games I played.

My game with the Mongols: I thought it would be retched, because the start position is near deserts, swamps, mountains, etc. I managed to build 5 cities in that area, then discovered Mounted Combat. All 5 cities switched to Mangudai production, and when I had roughly 10 I captured Lo'an from the Chinese, which had the Terracota Army - free Spearmen woohoo! Then I made peace and got some techs, then I assembled 20 Mangudais and got the rest of China, bit by bit.

I should've moved the palace to China but I built the Forbidden Palace in Lo'an instead, which made China very productive, so I started keeping up in science (just a bit behind) and money, stayed at peace with India and Japan, till finally I decided, with the Keshiks, to invade Scandinavia as they didn't have firearms.

Destroyed their whole empire within 10-15 turns, and then I saw a bunch of Babylonian elephant archers entering my territory near the Caspian Sea, and in China, 2 turns before our RoP expired... tsk tsk tsk. I was expecting an invasion from India so China was very well protected, and all my armies were near the Caspian sea after the Scandinavian invasion, so I wasn't afraid of some out of date units.

But then I deleted v31 and installed v32 so I started a new game as Carthage lol

 

[narmox]

For Carthage: The Nile is protected by all those barbarians.. Maybe I'm not producing enough spearmen to clear them out, so I can't quite colonize the nile, I always get beaten to it by the Ethiopians. I'll have to figure out how to do faster I suppose.

 

[V. Soma]

About the Mongols:

Yes, I had the same way with them, first getting to China with mangudai,
then the Vikings with keshiks.
I have to tell you, problems begin AFTER this...
suddenly you are the bad boy, and civ start getting at you...
I could win that with a Space Race, but boy,
those Babylonian tanks were REALLY close in...

Carthage:

I think simply to get away with those Ethiopians,
not by quick settling but through war...
perhaps with allies from the south...
Also, I hope you took care of Hispania -
that is land neant to be yours!

Pax Romana:

Damn it, it has SO MANY nice advantages,
is it really that 2 to 5 culture counts that much!?
I wait a few more cases with this, to really see...

 

[V. Soma]

Here is the world of my Zulu game, in 1554.
Poor Rome - blame the AI for not building Pax Romana...

 

[narmox]

About the Mongols:

Yes, I had the same way with them, first getting to China with mangudai,
then the Vikings with keshiks.
I have to tell you, problems begin AFTER this...
suddenly you are the bad boy, and civ start getting at you...
I could win that with a Space Race, but boy,
those Babylonian tanks were REALLY close in...

I can handle being a bad boy after 2 wars.. Everybody else will end up hating and attacking you anyway, so you might as well conquer a few easy empires before

Carthage:

I think simply to get away with those Ethiopians,
not by quick settling but through war...
perhaps with allies from the south...
Also, I hope you took care of Hispania -
that is land neant to be yours!

Absolutely.. My first Carthage game I only got 1 city in Spain, the celts and romans got the rest. So now I know, I always bring a few settlers there as soon as I can.

War with Ethiopia: I'll have to try it I suppose

 

[narmox]

Carthage, 1728 AD

Ok, this game went better than the previous ones.. I finally conquered the Nile - in the 17th-18th centuries lol. Rome built Pax Romana in 970 AD _after_ The Leaning Tower, and right before Papal States.

I got both Islam wonders, and those fanatics came in reaaaaally useful for conquering the Nile (10 fanatics + 5 knights + 1 leader = "what's for dinner mommy?" "Ethiopians")

Rome didn't expand much after the initial settling phase, and I saw them conquer only 1 viking city that got destroyed by Mongols, north of the black sea. The vikings got slaughtered by mongolia and babylon though, as you can see in the area between the black and caspian seas, and north of the black sea.

The Zulus are losing ground to Ethiopia (which probably explains my easy victories in the 3rd ethiopian war) and the Jorubans, meanwhile the asian civs are pretty stable, as are the american ones.

I still need to improve my gameplay, this is way different than normal civ games where I would dominate by this time

Things that are different than my previous carthage games: I got the Nile, the jorubans aren't the most advanced civ, scandinavia is weak, mongolia is stronger, and I'm only 2-3 techs behind - although I suspect the Babs to be a bit more advanced... We'll see what riches the Nile brings, and where Carthage will expand next!

 

[narmox]

This is turning into a terrible World War!!! In the early 1900's even.

On one side: Me, Babylon, China, Scandinavia.

The other side: Rome, Mongolia, Japan, Joruba.

As my armies are driving deeper into western Africa's Joruban cities, Rome captured Aarhus in Greece, then Tolosa in France which I captured from the Romans in a previous war last century, and after I recaptured it the Mongol invasion began! Wave after wave after wave of Keshik.. France is now theirs.. And they're moving towards Hispania! Poorly defended, rich Hispania!!!

Scandinavia is pretty weak now, with only 3 cities left, east the Baltic. Rome is still pretty strong, with their empire ranging from Denmark to Italy in the west, all the way to central europe and the Balkans and Greece, to the east.

Meanwhile, the Indians are overrunning Babylon, my strongest ally. Yikes! I'm hoping that pressure from China will help weakening the mongol and indian invasions, otherwise I'm surely doomed until I've taken care of west Africa...

One truth jumps out of the past 2 centuries of events though - I should've conquered the Nile WAY earlier in the game!

The year is 1920.... (For some reason I can't take a screenshot right now )

 

[narmox]

1942: World Engulfed in Flames!

The war has really gone global now. The Celts have joined in on Carthage's side, and the Indians got the Iroquois to declare war against us! Diplomats from Carthage rushed to America on a caravel to establish embassies with the Maya and the Incas, and brought both those nations into the conflict against the Iroquois, the Indians, the Romans, the Mongols and the Japanese.

So the world now pits 2 alliances against each other:

Carthage - Celts - Babylon - China - Scandinavia - Mayas - Incas

--- VS ---

Rome - Mongolia - Joruba - Japan - Iroquois - India

Semi-neutral parties: Ethiopia - Zuluand.

Hispania is holding strong thanks to massive groundtroops support from the Celts and Scandinavia, who effectifely stopped the mongol and roman invasions in France. Western europe is now at a standstill until resources can be gathered up there.

All of northern africa is under Carthage control now, but the Jorubans are holding strong in central/southen Africa. Temporary peace was made, but they signed a new alliance against us so the war rages on, with limited resources.


Narmox comments: I LOVE THIS MOD!

 

[V. Soma]

Wow!
That's quite a conflict you have there, narmox!

Hm, my guess is that India might be pretty strong and advanced...
What army do they have? Cavalry?

Good luck about holding Hispania... don't forget drafting units!
It cannot be easy to hold European land against the Roma-Mongolia tandem.

But then, you may surely hold ground in the homeland, Africa...
(Am I too pessimistic?)