CO-3: Immortal Emperors

OK Got it.

Ralph
 
Good luck Ralph!!!
Be ware of Darius settling plan (yeah I know, I am repeating myself... :lol:)! No other comment in mind...
Cheers,
Raskolnikov
 
Well a very quiet Builders Set.

Stayed in Org Religion not Pacifism as our GP farm isn’t Hindu yet and we want to spread the true faith a bit more before switching.

Lalibela now has a Hindu Monastery for Missionary building post the switch as we aren’t building Military yet so could afford to delay the Heroic Epic (due in 8), which is now being built.

So got a decent random event..

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We settled our Marked City

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And towards the end noticed that Gandhi seem to have built a junk city up north.

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EOT notes
The cottaging of Gondar has progressed well but this has delayed clearing St Petersburg of much jungle which has caused it to grow unhealthy so this needs to be sorted out next turn.
Sugar is hooked up but Silk isn’t yet

A good trade for Civil Service is open with Gandhi,

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but unfortunately Darius doesn’t want to trade machinery or feudalism just yet and I am not his other techs are worth acquiring.

Paper has been started (due in 8) and we have just popped a GS in Moscow ready for a partial Education bulb
 

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Looking good Ralph... :thumbsup:
Gandhi settling our island means that we should be ready to settle the "after CS spot"...
But it also means that we can now allocate spy points on him as missions will be cheaper... I don't know if we can take advantage of this (tech stealing if our GW pop a spy???) but we should put some thoughts on it at least :)
will look at the save latter for more comments...

Cheers,
Raskolnikov
 
Got it unless Sweetacshon wants to play.

Goals for this set: Make the empire larger and happier. Doesn't look like anything remarkable is going to happen. I think I'll take the CS trade with Gandhi.

About the EP distribution, I'd like to keep it on Darius for now, to allow effective spies if (when?) we attack him.
 
About the EP distribution, I'd like to keep it on Darius for now, to allow effective spies if (when?) we attack him.

I think I switched it to balanced to gradully try and see Gandhi's research over time so this would need to be switched back.

The number of EP's we are producing is very low so we are a way away from stealing techs et al.

Ralph
 
Got it unless Sweetacshon wants to play.

Goals for this set: Make the empire larger and happier. Doesn't look like anything remarkable is going to happen. I think I'll take the CS trade with Gandhi.

About the EP distribution, I'd like to keep it on Darius for now, to allow effective spies if (when?) we attack him.

Depending on the amount of EPs we need to see Gandhi's research it might be worth keeping it on him. I doubt we'll get anywhere close to being able to steal a tech without a GS anyway. I would agree with taking the trade though, even if there is a risk of him giving it to Darius soon after, and the possibility of accelerating his already fast research.
 
That was nice play, Ralph. :) Stuge, you may as well play if it's today, as I can't do it until tonight. If you want, tho, I can take it. Yep, that trade sounds good.
 
OK, now I'm a little confused. Are you taking it, stuge, or am I? I can play within the next 6 hrs, or in about 24.... what the hell, I'll take it. Playing now.
 
Screenshots omitted due to being on dial-up today.

Well, I don't think I was in good form, but that's what you get when you take a break from civ. It was a set of growth, with some missionaries, monasteries, and forges thrown in. A couple of the cities are close to or have broken happiness caps despite MMing, but forges are close, with markets soon after. Usually I prioritise pop growth, but a round of whipping pre civics change may be viable.

Otherwise, the HE was finished and is ready to pump, but is currently building a forge. Now that paper is in, perhaps we should have a shot at the UoS? Speaking of paper, Darius will give us drama, WM, and gold for it, which isn't great, and G already has it. Gandhi's CS trade went of ok, but he soon traded it to Darius, who refused to give up eng or feud (at the time).

In more bad news, Gandhi settled our spot.:sad: Isn't he annoying when you aren't beating him up? In addition, Darius' power is a little scary. Anyone know his backstab threshold? On the lighter side, I marked the position of the turtle event.

Moving forward, we have time to get the forges, markets, etc in before we get education and speed the unis and oxford. We need to get a few more units out, and another 2 workers might be nice. The settler intended for the next site can go to the site marked Maoi? There is a chariot scouting Persia, and a boat to do similar to Gandhi might be good, although we could just trade maps now.

Spoiler :
Turn 199/750 (385 AD) [26-Nov-2008 17:39:04]
Tech traded to Gandhi (India): Civil Service
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Currency
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Construction
Sweetacshon: Allocate a few more EPs to G to speed up his demographic visibility. Execute the CS trade.
Sweetacshon: Reroute a worker to the mined but unroaded iron, considering we're giving away our only copper.
Sweetacshon: In fact, once the workers get onto the silk and more sugar, this deal will have to change.

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Gandhi(India) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 200/750 (400 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:00:08]
Sweetacshon: I notice Darius has a load of knights, and we have no spears in our border towns, so do some shuffling.

After End Turn:
Aksum grows to size 11
Gondar grows to size 9
Novgorod finishes: Hindu Missionary
A Hamlet was built near Novgorod
A Village was built near Gondar
A Hamlet was built near Gondar
Addis Ababa's borders expand

Turn 201/750 (415 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:05:42]
Novgorod begins: Hindu Monastery (9 turns)
Taoism has spread: Assyrian (Persian Empire)

After End Turn:
St. Petersburg finishes: Courthouse

Turn 202/750 (430 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:09:34]
St. Petersburg begins: Settler (17 turns)
Sweetacshon: Failed missionary?! Awww... come on!

After End Turn:
Gondar finishes: Taoist Monastery
A Hamlet was built near Gondar
A Village was built near Novgorod

Turn 203/750 (445 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:13:31]
Gondar begins: Archer (5 turns)
Gondar begins: Taoist Missionary (8 turns)

Turn 204/750 (460 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:15:49]

After End Turn:
Aksum grows to size 12
Aksum finishes: Jewish Monastery
A Village was built near Gondar

Turn 205/750 (475 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:17:41]
A Plantation was built near Moscow
A Plantation was built near Addis Ababa
A Mine was built near Gondar


After End Turn:
Addis Ababa grows to size 2

Turn 206/750 (490 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:19:25]
A Cottage was built near Gondar
Sweetacshon: So Darius is finally willing to give up feudalism, but got CS off Gandhi (or someone else) last turn. :gripe:
Sweetacshon: Rejig the Darius copper deal for fish, clam, 10gpt. Also get sheep for sugar.

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Paper
Gondar finishes: Archer
Moscow grows to size 10
Moscow finishes: Jewish Monastery
Lalibela finishes: Heroic Epic

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Gandhi (India) towards CO-3 (Ethiopia), from 'Friendly' to 'Pleased'

Turn 207/750 (505 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:26:51]
Research begun: Education (15 Turns)
Lalibela begins: Forge (12 turns)
Moscow begins: National Epic (18 turns)
Moscow begins: Forge (17 turns)
Aksum begins: Forge (9 turns)
Lalibela begins: Chariot (2 turns)

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Darius I(Persia) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'
Civics Change: Darius I(Persia) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 208/750 (520 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:36:21]

After End Turn:
A Village was built near Aksum
Gondar grows to size 10
A Hamlet was built near Gondar
Novgorod finishes: Hindu Monastery
Lalibela finishes: Chariot

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Gandhi (India) towards CO-3 (Ethiopia), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'

Turn 209/750 (535 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:38:00]
Novgorod begins: Hindu Missionary (7 turns)
Gondar begins: Forge (23 turns)
A Plantation was built near Moscow
Sweetacshon: Sell G sugar for 6gpt.
Sweetacshon: A newly built chariot is off to scout Darius. The same should probably happen with a boat to G.

After End Turn:
Aksum grows to size 13
A Hamlet was built near Aksum

Turn 210/750 (550 AD) [26-Nov-2008 18:43:46]
A Mine was built near Moscow
Sweetacshon: Gandhi sneaks in with a gally and plonks down Madurai where we marked our city site. That kind of hurts, I suppose I should've whipped one out.
Sweetacshon: Darius will give drama, WM, and a little gold for paper.
 

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Sorry for confusing you. I should have stated that I was going to play this morning. (Until I was your post, that is.)

Good set. Gandhi stealing the north sucks but the site wasn't exactly awesome.

Got it again.
 
Hi team,

nice round Sweetacshon! ;)
I agree with Stuge, the lost site wasn't awesome... but the remaining ones has at least a food resource.... We should settle it. I still think the Moai would be better in the other city (Adis Adeba)...

We need a plan to kill Darius after liberalism... Steel, Rifling? Something else? With its land, we shall cruise to victory...

Cheers,
Raskolnikov
 
In my defence, this set wasn't exactly exhilarating.

Lots off stuff was built. Two bigger projects have just been started, namely the NE in Moscow and a university in Aksum. The clams city is ready to be founded by the next shlob.

Education was researched with the help of GS Clarke, we're now nine turns away from liberalism. PP might be a good pick if we can trade for machinery. Gandhi and Cyrus both want education from us.

Speaking of those two, we traded world maps and they threw some spare change into the bargain. We should trade silk to Gandhi when he gets his hands on some spare gpt.
 

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It may not be exciting, but that doesn't mean it's bad. PP from liberalism may not be a bad idea, it'll help the cottages and it's on the way to Rifling as well. I wouldn't like to risk trying to get anything more advanced when we're already missing a lot of techs. I wouldn't be too worried about a DOW from Darius, he's at Friendly now and doesn't have enough on his hands, so unless he slips back down to pleased we should be safe. Riflemen sound like the best plan for taking out Darius to me, it looks like we'll need to trade for Machinery, Feudalism, Guilds, Banking and Gunpowder, as well as researching PP and Rep. Parts.

What would be the general opinion on a switch to Nationalism for a few turns of drafting once we have Rifling, if we can trade for it? Looking at the power graph we'll be at significant numerical disadvantage, and we'll need to get some city defenders out quickly anyway.
 
Hi guys, got it... I hadn't time to look at the save for the moment. I will and comment your last post before playing but everything you said seems raisonnable... It would be nice to meet others AIs though to be able to make more trades... because getting all the mentionned techs from Gandhi (as we don't want to strenghten Darius too much) will be hard IMO

Cheers
 
Hi team :hatsoff:,

will play after work this afternoon...
What do you think of taking nationalism as free tech and then aim to rifling while building the Taj (we have marble after all) somewhere?
Will build some more workers (only 8 :lol: so far) and troops to be upgraded later.

Cheers,
Raskolnikov
 
Nat is OK, scoring the Taj is always nice.
 
Yep nationalism sounds ok, but we could do the old researchuntil1turnthingandholdoffuntiltheAIgetEducationsowecangetsomethingbetter" trick. For example we could try and get RP by researching PP next, getting us that much closer to rifling. Just a thought.

I'm guessing we're not going for the UoS, then? Anyway, let's get the other 5 unis in so we can build Oxford (maybe Gondar?). Other stuff:
  • Get St P.to steal the mine off Gondar so it has some prod'n.
  • Lalibela doesn't really need the temple, but may as well finish it. Let's build some units there!
  • Keep spreading hindu (almost done), and are we going to go for a Tao shrine (Darius and G won't run theocracy, and G will spread tao himself), if so, spread Hindu and Tao to Moscow, build the temples, and run max priests.. it shouldn't take long.
 
@Sweetacshon:
first, your avatar is so cool!
Second: if we go along with your plan, we won't be able to draft rifles (I doubt AIs will trade nationalism to us before building the Taj)...
Third: If we want Oxford up before this war, We will have to whip hard... is this worth it? I was thinking troops (and Darius land) are bigger priorities than unis...

@all: What do you think of this? I have still some time to think before playing...

Cheers
 
I don't actually know what to think, would 10 turns of GA be worth it? It would definitely help get a bit of an army and some infrastructure up, but does that outweigh getting Rifling several turns earlier? Sounds like a hard decision to me, but I might be leaning slightly towards the Taj.

As for Oxford I'd have thought it might be better to build it after we've finished Darius off, but as that may still be a while away some light whipping might be useful, I'd prefer to avoid it at this stage of the game though if possible.
 
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