CoE: 4 Unit Religion?

[loocas]

I find CoE useful for the money boost with the shrine. A CoE unit in the Trojan Horse can spread your religion to every city in the world, giving you a huge boost. I also like Gibbon just for Domination.

Even if CoE isn't worth adopting, Deception is very much worth the effort of getting early on because you get a free Nightwatch, which will be your most powerful defender for a long time. You don't even have to build it. Very useful.

 

[sylvanllewelyn]

Is it *really* true that, as of the most current build, that when you declare war on a civ with open borders, if your state religion is CoE, your units do not pop out? Because if it is, that ability alone is reason enough to adopt CoE.

 

[Blackmantle]

Ves, even if you have to watch where your units stand. If they share a tile with Units of other players / or in a city or the likes they will be evicted.

If it were not in the most current built. It whould be a bug.

The thinking it is broke mostly stems from units sharing tiles with the one attacked and the likes (could be even from something like sharing a tile with an invisible unit and the likes?)...

 

[CMHistory]

Pursuant to the 20% chance to take on a religion problem, as it pertains to CoE...

I think it would be an excellent bonus for adopting the CoE religion as your state religion if that guaranteed that ALL of your units (100%) followed CoE, rather than the random 20% chance that everyone else gets who just has the religion in their city, but follows another deity.

My two cents...

 

[Immaculate]

When you are part of the undercouncil and you own the holy city, how do you go about proposing undercouncil resolutions?

Do you need the shrine?

Do you need to follow CoE?

Any other information for me?

i.

 

[Blackmantle]

you have to be elected head councilor in question. Thats not tied to the shrine anymore (hence the enchancement of Nox Nocturnis to hide your units and Deis Dei to reveal hostile invisible Units in your Borders...)

To start elections at least 2 Civs need to have adopted the council in question. Then a leader is elected the very next turn after Civ number 2 joins the council (most of the time one of the first two to adopt undercouncil, since seldomly member 2 and 3 adopt during the same turn)., who can propose resolutions now and than, and defend his post on a reelection from time to time. (eglibility to stand in the election / reelection for head councilor also no longer seems to be tied to founding the religion or building the shrine.)

This is valid for both councils.

Easiest way to achieve that is to gift Deception / Honor (if you have founded CoE / Empyrean) to an ally (or soon to be ally. ) of your choice and ask him to adopt said council. (most of the time only costs a small amount of gold if they don't addopt for simply asking which they will for free from time to time. Or you just wait for them doing it on their own.)

If someone else has founded it then just research / trade and adopt it. Then get elected.

 

[Immaculate]

So you don't need to be CoE to start the resolutions going?
You could have 3+ undercouncil members, none of which are CoE and still have resolutions?

I.

 

[Morni]

So you don't need to be CoE to start the resolutions going?
You could have 3+ undercouncil members, none of which are CoE and still have resolutions?

I.

Exactly. The undercouncil isn't about religion, it's about, well, money.

 

[Chip56]

You could add a spell thats CoE state religion only.
That spell could allow any unit to switch its religion to CoE for lets say 10 gold.

 

[DuckAndCower]

I find CoE useful for the money boost with the shrine. A CoE unit in the Trojan Horse can spread your religion to every city in the world, giving you a huge boost.

I'd just like to point out that this does not require actually adopting the CoE religion, which is really the problem with CoE... too many perks for having access to the religion, not enough for actually adopting it.

I think it might be interesting to have a Council resolution that forces members to adopt CoE as their religion. Not sure if that would have too strong of an effect, though.

 

[Bad Player]

What would be very evil, IMO, is if everyone saw CoE civs as having the same religion they do. Therefore, Order civs see a CoE civ as running Order, but Runes civs see them as running Runes. This would be very, very evil; you'd constantly be wondering which of your religious "allies" are actually about to stab you in the back.

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