Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by mspaetauf, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. mspaetauf

    mspaetauf Chieftain

    Jan 27, 2009

    I'm new here, just wanted to ask if someone knows if the AI gets a combat bonus. I usually play on "Monarch", and usually i need 2 to 3 units to kill one enemy unit, even if the unit type is in my favour (e.g. archer vs. warrior).

    happens all the time, and is really frustrating!

  2. Aabraxan

    Aabraxan Mid-level Micromanager

    Jun 29, 2006
    Welcome to CFC, mspaetauf!

    Not it does not. As you go up in levels, the AI gets a production bonus, and any unit can get a defensive bonus from the terrain on which it stands, but there's no "AI combat bonus."
  3. Fiddlin Nero

    Fiddlin Nero Prince

    Nov 30, 2008
    I have my suspicions about the psuedo RNG. I rarely bother with anything close to even match-ups, they just result in too many casualties. Archer v. Warrior is within my limits, as Aabraxan says, it probably has something to do with defensive bonuses from terrain or towns.
  4. TheOverseer714

    TheOverseer714 Overseer

    Feb 12, 2007
    A fortified Warrior is 1.5 defense, add 10% for flatland, or 50% for a hill and it is nearly a draw. Throw in a bad number or two and you lose the battle. In a recent game I redlined a Cavalry on an Archer, so the RnG can deinitely get you at times.
  5. Whythat

    Whythat Chieftain

    Mar 27, 2008
    On top of the terrain bonus the defender gets a bonus if you are crossing a river to attack. A lot of times I burn a turn getting around a river to attack a fortified defender.
  6. Argetnyx

    Argetnyx Emperor

    Aug 10, 2008
    oops, double post.
  7. Argetnyx

    Argetnyx Emperor

    Aug 10, 2008
    Desert, Plains, Grassland, Tundra, Floodplain, Coast, Sea, Ocean= 10% defensive bonus

    Hills= 50% defensive bonus

    Mountains= 100% defensive bonus

    Forest, Jungle= 25% defensive bonus

    Marsh= 20% defensive bonus

    Volcano= 80% defensive bonus
  8. CommandoBob

    CommandoBob AbstractArt

    May 18, 2005
    Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones
    Welcome to the Forum, mspaetauf!

    [party] :dance: :woohoo:

    Back to the Opening Post
    If you're losing 2 or 3 units to take out one defender, something is wrong. Since you didn't give any specifics (like 2 or 3 Archers to take out a Musket) I'm going to assume that you are talking about 'equal' units. Archer (2 attack) vs. Spear (2 defense), for instance. I'm going to further assume that this combat is on dry, flat land, say plains or grass and not forests, marshes, hills, etc.

    If you are attacking with Regular units and the defender is Veteran, it will be bloody.

    If you don't have any bombardment units (catapults, trebuchets, cannons, etc), to soften up the units you are attacking, it will bloody.

    If you engage in anything like a fair fight, it will be bloody.


    Don't build Regular units past 3000 BC or so. Sneak in a barracks into the build order in your core cities and make Veteran units from then on. This will give your units more stamina in attacking and defending. It won't increase their attack or defense values in any way. But a Regular unit can lose 3 rounds of attacks before it dies. A Veteran can lose 4 rounds before it is dead. So what may kill a Regular unit, the Veteran will survive, then heal and live to fight another turn. The Regular unit is dead and has to be built again.

    Build bombardment units in cities that lack a barracks, since these units do not get any type of Veteran status. Use them to reduce the defenders down a hit point or two, which makes them easier to kill with your other units. Even the bigger guns (artillery) sometimes miss, so have plenty (a judgement call) before you start. These units can be captured but if you are careful to defend them that won't be a problem.

    Try to avoid fighting healthly units. Sometimes you must, but even then, try to make sure you have enough units to finish the job. Avoid attacking a solo unit that have nearby friends. If you kill it, your unit will advance into that tile and may have to suffer multiple counter attacks from the AI. If your unit is wounded it will probably die.

    Hope this helps. If you can specifics, that will help, too.

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