Coming out of the Christian Closet

warpus said:
There is no clear line between the two. Some would say that religions are simply popular & accepted cults.

Mormonism is criticized by some (including Xanik) for having a set of beliefs that are unusual. Scientology is criticized for its actions, including telling its members to stay away from mental health providers and paying large amounts of money to learn doctrine. What is more "cult-like", unusual beliefs or actual practices?

Of course, warpus' comment is more or less correct. The only actual accepted definition of "cult" is "system of beliefs". The word is usually defined as "a religion that I, the one using the word, don't like".
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
Mormonism is criticized by some (including Xanik) for having a set of beliefs that are unusual. Scientology is criticized for its actions, including telling its members to stay away from mental health providers and paying large amounts of money to learn doctrine. What is more "cult-like", unusual beliefs or actual practices?
For me, I dont realy find Mormonism attractive to me because of their dietary laws on saying that I cannot have tea, alcoholm chocolate, or anything caffinated. Also my beliefs also would come into conflict since I believe in the Holy Trinity (Oviously Mormonism is a non-Trinidarian Christian religion similar to JWs) as well as a belief in the spiritual infalibility of the pope, and dont realy believe that the Book of Mormon is actualy true and does not hold much value to me (much like how I view the Koran in Islam and how the Jews view the New Testiment).

When I looked in Wikipedia about the LDS themselves, I noticed that they are not particularly open to the public (IE, they dont allow non-Mormon visitors into the temples in contrast to Catholic Churches where we welcome non-Catholics interested in Catholicism. Though both churches do practace Closed Communion).

What I see that does not help mainstreem Mormonism is the practace of polgyamy and extrime excommunications that are practaced by fundamentalist Mormons such as the FLDS. The excommunication and disfellowshiping is the only criticism I have with Mormonism (Though Catholicism has it's share of criticism of excommunication, though Catholic Excommunication is imposed half the time Latæ Sententiæ or automaticly excommunicated. And Catholic excommunications are usualy spiritualy medicinal in nature). It seams to me that Mormon Excommunication has a harsh penalty of losing their church membership and thus cannot enter a Mormon temple, even if the individual become sincere of his repentance would still have to wait a long time, get re-baptized, and judged in a series of interviews. Same with disfellowshiping, they to, even if they are sincere of their wrong doings, are placed on prohbation. In reading, I noticed that they also excommunicate apostates, even if the apostate has an interest in a different religion and does not believe in Mormonism. (Catholicism sees apostasy as an excommunicatable offense, but the excommunicant is still considered Christian, as the person's baptism is still in effect.)

Though I am speeking from a Catholic point of view where Excommunications can be terminated with confession in the Sacrament of Reconsilliation (Though excommunicatable offenses of Simony, Desecration of the Eucharist, Physical force against the Pope, Attempted sacramental absolution of a partner in adultery, & Ordination of a bishop without a Papal mandate are reserved for the Holy See, either personally by the Pope or through the Apostolic Penitentiary.) In the Catholic Church, there is no disfellowshiping (But we do have closed communion and ask that non-Catholics and Catholics in a state of mortal sin to not partake in communion) and that our mortal sins are removed by confession in the Sacrament of Reconsilliation.

I do apologise if I had offended you in anyway with my criticisms. Since I do not fully understand the mechanics of Mormon Doctrines and Procedures.
 
I have the same problem, I dunno how to break it to them. Probably wait till I move out and then I'll tell them.
 
That is the best probably, wait till you move out if you do not feel you can have an honest discussion about it.

I was lucky I guess. I was forced to go to church as a child, but I was never forced to believe. My father said that was my decision, but he at least wanted me exposed to what he considered the truth.
 
@Civgeneral: First of all, we do let non-Mormons enter our chapels and other church buildings, just like Catholics do. It is just that they can't enter temples, which are different buildings. Also, chocolate and caffeinated soft drinks are allowed (it is surprising how many people don't realize this.)

If you have anything else you want to know, try this thread.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
@Civgeneral: First of all, we do let non-Mormons enter our chapels and other church buildings, just like Catholics do. It is just that they can't enter temples, which are different buildings. Also, chocolate and caffeinated soft drinks are allowed (it is surprising how many people don't realize this.)
I never knew that. Thanks for clearing that bit up :).

Eran of Arcadia said:
If you have anything else you want to know, try this thread.
Not sure if its wise to bump an old thread :scared:
 
CivGeneral said:
I never knew that. Thanks for clearing that bit up :).

Glad to help.


Not sure if its wise to bump an old thread :scared:

Why not? You did it with the Catholicism thread. And Inqvisitor should stay away from this one.

EDIT: I have started a new Mormonism thread here.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
Why not? You did it with the Catholicism thread. And Inqvisitor should stay away from this one.
Sadly, my Catholicism thread has been closed largely due to Inqvisitor :(.
 
It was sad that inqvisitors entire reasoning depended on interpritation of past(I wholy emphasise past views of his church) When he made the step to using those past beliefs to deny reality, was when for me the thread died. It would be nice to think we could have reasoned with him but we couldn't and so I'm glad it was closed. It's history and so is his argument.

I would like to say that I actually was very religous as a child but lost it along the way, perhaps I'm too rational and although I have learnt a deal about the world, I still don't see comfort in some of the churches ideas, if there's a church that is free and alows you to make your own choices about what you believe in the context of the modern wolrd then I'd follow it, sadly there isn't so I don't. I am the opposite of Mob Boss in that I lost faith early in life and have seen little experience that enamours me to move back. I certainly find the idea that your beliefs would cause you to lose respect amongst anyone, be it a lack of them or a devotion to them to be against my own moral code.

I've never heard of anything like that happening in my country amongst people I know or people I have heard about(although I'm far from seeing the great picture) from what I can see it's considered old fashioned to despise someone for being religous or irelligous; it's absolutley a personal choice, based on a persons own interpritations of faith from his own experiences.
 
You might want to stop mentioning Inquisitor; should he get a hunch of this thread, he might feel obliged to fend for himself, thus ruining this great topic.
 
Zuffox said:
You might want to stop mentioning Inquisitor; should he get a hunch of this thread, he might feel obliged to fend for himself, thus ruining this great topic.
I don't think that member will do that again.

And now: back on topic and away from Member-Specific posts!!
 
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