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One has to suppose that the archetype of rights existed also in pharaonic Egypt
Do we? Sounds like unironic Platonism but okay
One has to suppose that the archetype of rights existed also in pharaonic Egypt
@Berzerker 's argument seems to be dancing around this idea... that we as humans collectively share a sense that we all have a right to live, be free, etc., and it is theoretically codified, legitimized or what have you, by that collective value that we have/share/sense, essentially "universally."The archetype of rights does exist, but archetypes also are mental phenomena, and do not have to manifest in the external world- let alone in societal setting. One has to suppose that the archetype of rights existed also in pharaonic Egypt, and yet they operated with priestly casts and serfs.
Isn't that kind of reasoning behind the basic morality of War? That the survival/defense/well-being of the nation... the nation's "right to defend itself" is superior to the "right to life" of the slain?
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The archetype of rights does exist, but archetypes also are mental phenomena, and do not have to manifest in the external world- let alone in societal setting. One has to suppose that the archetype of rights existed also in pharaonic Egypt, and yet they operated with priestly casts and serfs.
we as humans collectively share a sense that we all have a right to live, be free, etc., and it is theoretically codified, legitimized or what have you, by that collective value that we have/share/sense, essentially "universally."
Brains and their function are part of the physical world, as were the people of Egypt.
The physical world is just a projection of the real world of information
Thus the scare quotes. My point is that the argument as-made begs-the-question of universality... and indeed, depends on it, because it is that consensus which serves as the substitute for "god" or "nature" etc. The phrase, "We hold these truths to be self-evident" is a good example of this kind of approach... although of course it was immediately followed with an appeal to the authority of god.It's not quite universal.
I'll refer you to the late, great George Carlin (mostly just because he's awesome) and his take on our "right" to life.It's the stated justification, but this may or may not actually reflect the utility function of those choosing to engage or participate in war. I'd guess usually not, but I'm not in their heads.
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/george-carlin-comedian-sanctity-life-lyrics.htmlGeorge Carlin said:"But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase 'sanctity of life.'" You've heard that, 'sanctity of life.'" You believe in it? Personally, I think it's a bunch of <expletive> Well I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey if you read history, you realize that God is one of the leading causes of death, has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians, all taking turns killing each other because God told them it was a good idea...
... But don't be giving me all this <expletive> about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don't think it's something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up! You know why? Cause we're alive! Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. ... dead people give less than a <expletive> about the sanctity of life. Only living people care about it, so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self-serving, man-made <expletive> story. It's one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred, makes you feel noble... Because even with the stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. Look at what we kill. Mosquitoes and flies, because they're pests! Lions and tigers, because it's fun! Chickens and pigs, because we're hungry. Pheasants and quail, because it's fun, and we're hungry. And people! We kill people, because they're pests... and it's fun!
And you might have noticed something else, the sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You never see a bumper sticker that says 'save the tumors' or 'I brake for advanced melanoma.' No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, e. coli bacteria, the crabs, nothing sacred about those things. So at best, the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole <expletive> thing up! Made it up, the same way we made up the death penalty. We made them both up, the sanctity of life and the death penalty. Aren't we versatile?!"
@Berzerker 's argument seems to be dancing around this idea... that we as humans collectively share a sense that we all have a right to live, be free, etc., and it is theoretically codified, legitimized or what have you, by that collective value that we have/share/sense, essentially "universally."
Since August of 2017, one may open carry a machette or sword in Texas and they are not anticipating any negative effects. And frankly that would have been the case at the time in which the 2nd Amendment was protected.What is Legal to Own
It is legal to own a Bowie knife
It is legal to own a dirk, dagger, or other stabbing knife
It is legal to own a disguised knife such as in a belt buckle or lipstick
It is legal to own a stiletto
It may be legal to own a butterfly knife, however, one should check with an attorney first, as Tennessee’s definition of a switchblade could include a butterfly knife. Courts in most states would call a butterfly knife one that opens by “gravity or inertia”, which is how Tennessee defines a switchblade knife. However, other Courts have viewed butterfly knives, not as automatic or gravity knives, but as a type of pocketknife. As of June 2013, Tennessee’s Courts have yet to weigh in.
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In political theory, do people have inalienable and inherent natural rights which are not subject to whims and not assigned by the vagaries of government rule? Or does the government decree rights?
A compass (for drawing circles) can be pretty lethal as well.
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