Common sense knife regulation

Rippers are bigger, this is like a mini-ripper. I'm guessing it would do about 2/3 the damage and be 1/3 the weight.
 
Just give everyone a gun and a box of ammo. Knives are so 19th C. Guns are the American way and America always knows best when it comes to encouraging violence and crime.
 
Birdjaguar said:
Just give everyone a gun and a box of ammo. Knives are so 19th C. Guns are the American way and America always knows best when it comes to encouraging violence and crime.
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Once again in my role as the local criminal I have to say that I don't like guns either. There is no benefit in announcing "Hey! Crime in progress! Everyone look this way!" to everyone within several city blocks.
 
Kyriakos said:
You know what the only defence against a bad guy with an X is :yup:
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There is no defense against a bad guy with an X, because if he is a genuinely bad guy he will be using his X before you have identified that he is bad. Your choices are to run around being bad first, or accept the reality that there are actually very few bad guys and you can just go about your business without giving them any significant amount of thought and things will turn out generally just fine.
 
Broken_Erika said:
Just ban any object that can be used as a weapon in any way shape or form. Wait that won't work....Just ban Humans.
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We shouldn't rule this out. Transhumanism might be our only viable path to actually put all this stuff behind us.

Timsup2nothin said:
As the local criminal I feel obliged to mention that I prefer things more in the line of hammers or hatchets over anything in the knife/screwdriver/pointy things category.
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Gotta have that utility after all.

To be fair I'm not sure what is optimal in a gang fight or 1v1 street fight. Like, I can't imagine a scenario where it's baseball bat vs knife vs chain + blunt object vs whatever and picking one knowing it'll give an advantage. I doubt a hammer is competitive with a knife, but a hatchet could be? Perhaps it's the coward in me talking, but I doubt I'd willfully engage with any of these unless being chased by someone I couldn't outrun or something, and I'd be unlikely to have any of them.

Timsup2nothin said:
Once again in my role as the local criminal I have to say that I don't like guns either. There is no benefit in announcing "Hey! Crime in progress! Everyone look this way!" to everyone within several city blocks.
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I've heard people argue against open carry on similar grounds. Basically, anybody genuinely bad would likely target whoever is visibly carrying a firearm first, to minimize the chances of return fire. It's kind of hard to refute that logic.
 
Everyone should carry one of these for personal defense.

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TheMeInTeam said:
I've heard people argue against open carry on similar grounds. Basically, anybody genuinely bad would likely target whoever is visibly carrying a firearm first, to minimize the chances of return fire. It's kind of hard to refute that logic.
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The "good guy" only has one advantage, and it is the ultimate weapon; the cops. That puts time absolutely on their side. Firing a gun, or any other loud attracting of attention, vastly reduces time. So, yeah, if there is someone involved who will apparently be making that noise it is incumbent upon the "bad guy" to prevent that...with extreme prejudice. But the last thing the criminal wants to do is make that attention grabbing noise themselves.
 
I guess I'm just repeating what everybody else has already said, but yeah, there are a lot of ways to make some pretty fearsome improvised weapons (I know what I would make, but I don't want to give anyone any ideas). It's just a fact of life, and to stop that, they'd have to ban a huge array of various useful everyday objects, so much so that it simply wouldn't be worth it. I suspect that this knife control won't do much, there are simply too many ways to circumvent it
 
Hehehe said:
I guess I'm just repeating what everybody else has already said, but yeah, there are a lot of ways to make some pretty fearsome improvised weapons (I know what I would make, but I don't want to give anyone any ideas). It's just a fact of life, and to stop that, they'd have to ban a huge array of various useful everyday objects, so much so that it simply wouldn't be worth it. I suspect that this knife control won't do much, there are simply too many ways to circumvent it
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It's the latest in a series of "make bs legislation to make it look like you're doing something about the problem". They've already gone out of their way to ban various types of knives the past. It was obvious enough even years ago when that junk was passed that it's not much harder to pocket and use a kitchen knife or a different, legal kind of retractable blade (depending on which particular inane law you check). At this rate we'll see chains at a hardware store get similar treatment as switch blades and then they'll be wondering why all the gang members are garrotting each other, looking to ban any form of string with tensile strength :/.
 
There may be some nominal value in regulation. Currently, if I am pulled up for jaywalking and the cop notes that I am carrying a cooking knife he faces the difficulty the I haven't actually committed any crime. Well, other than jaywalking. He may 'have a feeling' that I'm up to no good. He may try to stretch some sort of existing law into a pretzel so that I can be 'taken off the street' before i do whatever harm he is thinking I am liable to do. But without such stretching I'm very likely to just go my way...and really society is probably better off if under such circumstance I am not allowed to go my way, and is also better off if police are not forced into such corners where they are inclined to stretch the laws.

Unfortunately, at least in the US we have already created an environment where cops stretching the law is an everyday event, netting us a dead guy in Baltimore who's only 'crime' was carrying a pocketknife across a city limit.
 
TheMeInTeam said:
It's the latest in a series of "make bs legislation to make it look like you're doing something about the problem".
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Oh god I hate this mentality. In Finland whenever there's a drunk driving accident, our wise politicians decide to look like they're doing something about it. Some guy is driving blackout drunk in the middle of the night, and drives straight into a tree at 200 km/h. And then our wise politicians, wanting to look like they're addressing the issue, decide they're going to lower speed limits or allowable blood alcohol content levels, when it's obvious it wouldn't have done anything then and won't do anything in the future. But I guess that's off topic
 
Hehehe said:
Oh god I hate this mentality. In Finland whenever there's a drunk driving accident, our wise politicians decide to look like they're doing something about it. Some guy is driving blackout drunk in the middle of the night, and drives straight into a tree at 200 km/h. And then our wise politicians, wanting to look like they're addressing the issue, decide they're going to lower speed limits or allowable blood alcohol content levels, when it's obvious it wouldn't have done anything then and won't do anything in the future. But I guess that's off topic
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Not really. It is a very accurate parallel. Unfortunately it doesn't provide access to any better solution to the problem, which is that the public has a demand of DO SOMETHING that forces government to take obviously irrelevant actions when presented with insoluble problems.
 
Hehehe said:
Oh god I hate this mentality. In Finland whenever there's a drunk driving accident, our wise politicians decide to look like they're doing something about it. Some guy is driving blackout drunk in the middle of the night, and drives straight into a tree at 200 km/h. And then our wise politicians, wanting to look like they're addressing the issue, decide they're going to lower speed limits or allowable blood alcohol content levels, when it's obvious it wouldn't have done anything then and won't do anything in the future. But I guess that's off topic
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Happens everywhere.
 
It is perhaps worth pointing out these quotes in the original article:
"You will never get rid of stabbings. There have always been stabbings, there always will be stabbings," he said.

"All I'm trying to do it to reduce the numbers killed."
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dutchfire said:
It is perhaps worth pointing out these quotes in the original article:
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Unfortunately those quotes beg the question; will this action accomplish that? If so through what mechanism?

I think I already provided a weak, but possibly best answer in post 34, but that's all I've got and I've been collecting for a long time.
 
Aren't 3d printers somewhat common by now?
It is obviously ridiculously easy to just 3d-print some knife-like weapon. People even 3d-print working hand-guns, and even rail-guns :)

Given this is the Uk, there has to be some underground lab south of the Thames where a stoned nerd 3d-prints acid throwers.
 
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