Complaint Sub-Forum

[protocol7]

It might be nice though, to be able to ignore an entire thread forever if you want. Maybe they could add that feature, and people could decide for themselves which threads are overly-complaining.

IMHO it’s not so easy to mark entire threads as complaining for everyone because people often come share different viewpoints in them too, and all their comments would then be labeled complaining too.

 

[Bug Repellent]

It might be nice though, to be able to ignore an entire thread forever if you want. Maybe they could add that feature, and people could decide for themselves which threads are overly-complaining.

That's a great idea.

 

[Gori the Grey]

The "complaining" threads actually have just as many defenders as haters; that's part of what keeps driving them along.

 

[CliffCo]

I just copied this from their feedback channel on Discord. Please pay special attention to the 2nd paragraph, as it's something i suggested earlier in this thread.

Sar (FXS) — 1:02 PM
"Hey! Can also confirm that as I live and breathe player feedback - we're pulling from everywhereplayers talk Civ There's plenty of feedback we're looking at and evaluating beyond what we see in Discord!

Flip side -- it reallyhelps us as devs to have a dedicated space where feedback is can be tracked and followed more easily. Having threads helps us track conversations, notice patterns over time, refer back to specific ideas, and it gives us a place where we can jump in directly and ideally follow up when something gets resolved (even if the resolution may not look 1:1 with what's being suggested).

We’re not able to reply to every post, but we’re always reading and taking things in, here and elsewhere. Hope that makes sense!"

 

[protocol7]

But I don’t see why you’d want to structure things in such a way that the devs see only complaints and not what people like?

Even then, we actually already do have both a bug reports and an ideas and suggestions forum, in addition to general. But we don’t have any rules I know of that complaints or praise has to be sorted into one or the other place. That would be extra tough because in those threads both positive and negative comments are interleaved.

 

[CliffCo]

But I don’t see why you’d want to structure things in such a way that the devs see only complaints and not what people like?

Because the feedback channel there is only about what can be done to improve the game, not about what you like about it. They can view other threads here if they want to see the positives, the threads here that ive started ignoring have very little positive feedback in them, hence the reason i avoid them.

 

[Xur]

It’s a strange thing to do. Without these threads the civ7 subforum is dead either way.

 

[CliffCo]

It’s a strange thing to do. Without these threads the civ7 subforum is dead either way.

Which sub forum are tou referring to, and are you trying to say that all people do is discuss things that are wrong with the game?

 

[Naokaukodem]

Which sub forum are tou referring to

This very one I assume.

 

[canadamufc]

Because creating echo chambers (on both sides) has worked very well for online forums in the past. Right?

 

[AD1730]

I have not once seen a Civ 7 detractor suggest that those who like the game should leave the site or be separated off. However, I consistently see the inverse suggested. This mentality is not one that can coexist with free expression or exchange of ideas.

 

[GrayingGamer]

This definitely strikes me as a "be careful what you wish for" moment.

The only thing worse for Civ now would be if the main forums just fizzled out. Healthy games/IPs have forums full of all sorts of garment rending and teeth gnashing. If they're taking the time to complain, they're still invested - that means there's hope. It's when the new post count dwindles to just one or two per day, usually from a handful of dedicated holdout fans, that things are truly grim.

CivFanatics forums are a bit atypically 'civilized' (huh huh) for the internet (given the games and their audience), but if there were ever a time for the pitchforks to come out, that time would be now. Firaxis has truly dropped the ball and it's an open question as to whether they are the ones to recover it, or someone else. High quality constructive criticism and negative feedback are their best friends right now.

 

[bengalryan9]

Do we need a forum solely for complaints? No. Do we need a dozen different threads about why a different random poster also doesn't like the game and just knows in their heart of hearts it's going to fail? Also no. It's a lot of clutter. Merge 'em all together!

If we ever have multiple threads on a new patch right after release they get merged together, I don't know why it should be any different here.

 

[fantsu]

Yea, let's create our own little echo chambers. That's going to help...

Off-topic 2

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

Sometimes I wish we had a separate sub-forum for complaints.

It's called "Civ7 - General Discussions". What else would it be for, the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas?

Jokes aside, for me the problem is not complaints. There's always been complaints.

 

[protocol7]

Any general discussion topic can have people sharing different opinions, pro or con. Cutting out all the con replies and merging them into a long single topic of con replies from everywhere else seems like it wouldn’t work very well. Neither would taking all the threads that have any complaints at app and branding the entire thing as a complaint thread and merging it.

I think the best is just to give people the ability to ignore topics they don’t want to see. They can already ignore (which hides) posters who disagree with them, so why not threads if they can’t resist going into them if they see them. I’m not sure if the admins have the power to turn this on or not though, but if so it would give everyone the ability to make their own judgment call on what’s a complaint thread or not.

In the meantime if it’s a small group of posters you can’t stand seeing their opinions, maybe just as effective is to ignore them specifically. Then you should only see opinions that line up with what you prefer.

 

[m_mus]

Yeah, I'd also like to see more discussion on the actual game, its mechanics, speculations on the next patch etc. Depresses me somewhat to only mostly encounter threads on player numbers and "The X misconceptions FXS has about the playerbase". Based on my prior experience in these forums, I can somewhat relate to PotatoMcWhiskey's recently expressed astonishment about the constant stream of negativity within his viewership.

 

[ThERat]

Yeah, I'd also like to see more discussion on the actual game, its mechanics, speculations on the next patch etc. Depresses me somewhat to only mostly encounter threads on player numbers and "The X misconceptions FXS has about the playerbase". Based on my prior experience in these forums, I can somewhat relate to PotatoMcWhiskey's recently expressed astonishment about the constant stream of negativity within his viewership.

Maybe the lack of discussing the actual game might have something to do with its low player base currently. You can't blame the ones that don't like the game for that, though. When we played Civ 3 and Civ 4, we would have succession games going and discussing the game itself. Not many cared about the main discussion thread really.

 

[protocol7]

Presumably also people playing the game aren't spending their time hanging out in the threads where the people complaining are discussing, since they're busy playing the game/participating in the strategy/stories and tales subforums. People who love civ but aren't having fun playing stay connected by discussing here in general what they don't like and what they wish was different. But I think at least to some extent @ThERat is right, there aren't enough happy players to sustain those forums really and they are mostly dead now.

I have the same experience, when I was deep into civ6 and all the other previous games in the series, I never even came to general because people were talking about (what I considered) boring things like other games, sales numbers, etc. I lived entirely in the strategy subforum. But these days there's just very little there to see, really, so everyone is sort of piling up here in general. At the same time, what's there in the strategy and tales forum is not about disappointment at all, so maybe if more people invested time there instead of complaining about complainers in the general forum, it could be a real nice alternative.

 

[fantsu]

I DO want to know what else there is to talk about.

If only there would be more information for the player presented how the game actually works instead of hiding it all away in game. Game lacking several concepts also make it more shallow compared to previous versions.
Best thing is to create new interesting topics here instead of blaming others for a lack of conversation.