Emerald_Knight
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Hi, I just threw this together thanks to Kael's Guide, let me know if there's major problems with it.
Confederate States of America
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Dict4t0rCiv
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What are the UUs and UA? Which leader head did you use?
Pharmtekbobby
Chieftain
Ok...one major problem I found so far..."slave workers" cannot improve tiles...just move 3 spaces. 
Also...please please please give us some sort of upgraded riflemen and building
Other than that the new civ works well and looks great!
Also...please please please give us some sort of upgraded riflemen and building
Other than that the new civ works well and looks great!
Emerald_Knight
Chieftain
Lol thanks, fixed that major worker problem!
Added Johnny Reb which replaces Riflemen.
Added Johnny Reb which replaces Riflemen.
Guys, when you create a thread to a file, please include a link or a proper description of it in the thread.
I first wanted to kick that thread out, because it looked like a question thread.
I first wanted to kick that thread out, because it looked like a question thread.
Kruelgor
Emperor
Pretty cool.
Emerald_Knight
Chieftain
I'll have the CSA on CivFanatic to download later!
Matthias Wasser
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That's by far the best opening blurb I've ever seen.
Silver44Guy
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hilarious opening blurb for sure
TravisATWA
Chieftain
I don't wanna come off like a jerk here, know i'm not putting down your work. With that said though, your description of the confederate states seems a little biased to me. You said slave several times in that short description. Contrary to fifth grade social studies books the civil war was not over slaves. Abe Lincoln did not just love black people so much he freed slaves to piss off the south and start a war. Lincoln was the first figure head of the union who felt that the wants of said union out weigh the given RIGHT for a state to secede. (he would have so loved the patriot acts imo)
I'm not trying to sweep anything under the run here, i mean i wouldn't be making the same post about a German/Hitler mod that mentions the holocaust, but if that was ALL it really said that would also misrepresent the WW2 era German civilization just like i feel this misrepresents the southern states of america
again i don't mean any disrespect here, if this post is out of line by all means please delete it mods i just wanted to put in my two cents.
I'm not trying to sweep anything under the run here, i mean i wouldn't be making the same post about a German/Hitler mod that mentions the holocaust, but if that was ALL it really said that would also misrepresent the WW2 era German civilization just like i feel this misrepresents the southern states of america
again i don't mean any disrespect here, if this post is out of line by all means please delete it mods i just wanted to put in my two cents.
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It was about state rights.
Oh and slavery. So much of it was fueled by slavery both economically and politically that just saying that it was about "state rights" is silly. Or am I to believe that the Dred Scot case, Harper's Ferry, and the expansion of slavery west were just small things compared to state rights?
Wait, what? You're comparison is failure because Germany (and Prussia and the famous Germanic tribes and etc) existed for thousands of years and has a rich history.
The CSA existed for less than a decade (five years by my count). There isn't much to talk about. There were just a lot of slaves and talk of states' rights (including the right to slavery).
On topic:
I laughed hard reading the civilization start screen. Can you build a nation that lasts more than four years?
Emerald_Knight
Chieftain
Lol yea, it was meant tongue-in-cheek 
troytheface
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i will download this and see if i can get it to work
perhaps the worker as a unique unit should have no upkeep cost instead of movement
-they worked for free but did not move around much
thanks for making this civilization
Edit- Ok, i downloaded it and unzipped it and stuck it in the mods folder and it worked - simple- easy
Looks good- good color choice etc
Robert E Lee's Training-"Melee, Mounted and Gun units can make 2 attacks per round"
- not sure if this is a good idea (overpowered)
Better might be a plantation bonus of some kind? Looking at some of the other civilization's abilities i see .......
Trade Caravans: +1 Gold from each Trade Route and Oil Resources provide double quantity.
Mother Russia: Strategic Resources provide +1 Production and Horse, Iron and Uranium Resources provide double quantity.
Art of War: Effectiveness and spawn rate of Great Generals increased.
some of the unique units are
America
-Minuteman-replaces musketmen-all tiles only cost 1 movement
France
-Foreign Legion-Replaces Infantry-combat bonus when in foreign lands
i suggest refining the civ to a unified theme and simplifing to one unique unit
Ability
Plantations-+1 Gold from each Trade Route and Cotton Resources provide double quantity
or- Cotton Resource provides extra +1 Gold and provides double quantity, or
Robert E Lee's Training- Effectiveness and spawn rate of Great Generals increased
Unique unit-"Rebel" -replaces rifleman-all tiles only cost 1 movement or
- combat bonus when in friendly territory
Better to err on the side of underpowered
perhaps the worker as a unique unit should have no upkeep cost instead of movement
-they worked for free but did not move around much
thanks for making this civilization
Edit- Ok, i downloaded it and unzipped it and stuck it in the mods folder and it worked - simple- easy
Looks good- good color choice etc
Robert E Lee's Training-"Melee, Mounted and Gun units can make 2 attacks per round"
- not sure if this is a good idea (overpowered)
Better might be a plantation bonus of some kind? Looking at some of the other civilization's abilities i see .......
Trade Caravans: +1 Gold from each Trade Route and Oil Resources provide double quantity.
Mother Russia: Strategic Resources provide +1 Production and Horse, Iron and Uranium Resources provide double quantity.
Art of War: Effectiveness and spawn rate of Great Generals increased.
some of the unique units are
America
-Minuteman-replaces musketmen-all tiles only cost 1 movement
France
-Foreign Legion-Replaces Infantry-combat bonus when in foreign lands
i suggest refining the civ to a unified theme and simplifing to one unique unit
Ability
Plantations-+1 Gold from each Trade Route and Cotton Resources provide double quantity
or- Cotton Resource provides extra +1 Gold and provides double quantity, or
Robert E Lee's Training- Effectiveness and spawn rate of Great Generals increased
Unique unit-"Rebel" -replaces rifleman-all tiles only cost 1 movement or
- combat bonus when in friendly territory
Better to err on the side of underpowered
Despite whatever revisionist nonsense you've heard, the Civil War was most certainly "about slavery." That's why the general population in the North was so ticked off at the abolitionists; they blamed them for the war. Today, we should honor them for the same reason.
The states' rights at issue in the South were two in number: 1) the right to remain slave-holding and 2) the right to leave the union in order to remain slave holding.
Bottom line: If you take slavery out of the equation, then the Civil War would've never happened.
The OP is right to keep the CSA mod focused on such an agenda, anything else--like your assertion that it takes fifth grade naivete to call a duck a duck--would be an insult to the generations of Americans who suffered under slavery in this country and belittle the work of people who pushed for human rights above capitalist expediency in the decades that led up to the war.
MooNDoGG25
Chieftain
So is this Civilization Animated when I meet the leader, or not? I need to know this before I download it! Thanks!
ForzaFiori
Chieftain
I downloaded this mod, but the civ name and city names have some sort of glitch in them, where they have a long string of (what appears to be) broken code in front of them. Doesn't make it unplayable, but does get annoying.
Saying that the Civil War was about Slavery, OR States Rights solely is like saying that WWII was started all because Hitler hates Jews, or that the Stamp Act was the only reason for the American Revolution.
It was a mixture of the two, along with several other things. The states right's fight, which had been being argued for just as long as slavery in the US (in otherwords, since the start) had been coming to a head due to the "northern" (here, I regret to admit that for the sake of simplicity, I will be referring to a somewhat stereotypical view of northern and southern states, with "northern" states being those that, typically, were industrialized, anti-slavery, republican, and in general, in the north, and southern states being typically agricultural, pro-slavery, democratic, and in the south) states, who had recently gained a slight majority in congress, attempting to force the south to switch to their way of life.
This included (but was not limited too) the abolishment of slavery. it also included extreme tariffs that benefited the north at the expense of the south, as well as other laws that I cannot remember right now, because the Civil war is not my histiorical specialty. However, there was never a fight for equal rights to blacks. (in fact, it is held by some that the north was, and in some places still is, more racist than the south, due simply to the fact that blacks were less common in the north until the great migration after the civil war).
The south believed in "nullification". That is, that since the USA was a cooperative union of multiple, independent states (which was true when it was founded), that the state should have more power than the union itself. Therefor, they felt that they should be able to keep their way of life.
Eventually, when the differences became to much for the south to bear, they decided to do exactly what the 13 colonies had done 87 years before, and succeed. however, the north, being rather hypocritical, decided that they couldn't allow that, and thus the civil war.
It should also be pointed out that Lincoln would have gladly enslaved every black in the nation to end the war, and indeed, he didn't free blacks in the union itself until AFTER the war. (the emancipation proclomation freed only those slaves in areas still held by the confederacy, despite the fact that since it was another country, Lincoln had no right to do so).
The idea of a Civil War about something other than slavery is not the product of the revisionists. rather, the revisionists are what gave us "all about slavery" viewpoint in the first place. It was one of the first truths lost to them, actually.
Saying that the Civil War was about Slavery, OR States Rights solely is like saying that WWII was started all because Hitler hates Jews, or that the Stamp Act was the only reason for the American Revolution.
It was a mixture of the two, along with several other things. The states right's fight, which had been being argued for just as long as slavery in the US (in otherwords, since the start) had been coming to a head due to the "northern" (here, I regret to admit that for the sake of simplicity, I will be referring to a somewhat stereotypical view of northern and southern states, with "northern" states being those that, typically, were industrialized, anti-slavery, republican, and in general, in the north, and southern states being typically agricultural, pro-slavery, democratic, and in the south) states, who had recently gained a slight majority in congress, attempting to force the south to switch to their way of life.
This included (but was not limited too) the abolishment of slavery. it also included extreme tariffs that benefited the north at the expense of the south, as well as other laws that I cannot remember right now, because the Civil war is not my histiorical specialty. However, there was never a fight for equal rights to blacks. (in fact, it is held by some that the north was, and in some places still is, more racist than the south, due simply to the fact that blacks were less common in the north until the great migration after the civil war).
The south believed in "nullification". That is, that since the USA was a cooperative union of multiple, independent states (which was true when it was founded), that the state should have more power than the union itself. Therefor, they felt that they should be able to keep their way of life.
Eventually, when the differences became to much for the south to bear, they decided to do exactly what the 13 colonies had done 87 years before, and succeed. however, the north, being rather hypocritical, decided that they couldn't allow that, and thus the civil war.
It should also be pointed out that Lincoln would have gladly enslaved every black in the nation to end the war, and indeed, he didn't free blacks in the union itself until AFTER the war. (the emancipation proclomation freed only those slaves in areas still held by the confederacy, despite the fact that since it was another country, Lincoln had no right to do so).
The idea of a Civil War about something other than slavery is not the product of the revisionists. rather, the revisionists are what gave us "all about slavery" viewpoint in the first place. It was one of the first truths lost to them, actually.
Unbeatable
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the north didnt care about the slaves. they basically had slaves of their own just not in the same way as the south. all the north wanted was to stay one country because the south threatned to seced. it was going to be like korea. but anyway lincoln didnt care about the slaves he had some of his own.
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