Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey

[Valka D'Ur]

I don't like cartoons in documentaries.

Actually, I don't really care for any modern cartoons.

 

[Aroddo]

Ah. So .... I guess there is no chance I can interest you in My Little Pony?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Ah. So .... I guess there is no chance I can interest you in My Little Pony?

Not a chance.

I love the Peanuts cartoons, and have fond memories of The Flintstones and lots of others I watched... back in the '60s. But I honestly think that a new version of Cosmos should have had live actors to portray these scientists and the world they lived in.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No indignation fron CH about the last episode?

I was expecting more dissapointment. No one ever observed a magnetic line. So they must have been made up by scientists or something.

 

[timtofly]

They threw him a bone?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No idea whether what you meant by that is how I took it, but how I took it was funny to me so I'm not going to ask.

 

[classical_hero]

I stopped watching because the show is just too boring to watch.

 

[Aroddo]

I stopped watching because the show is just too boring to watch.

Well, My Little Pony is not for everyone.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Just because this isn't a Red Diamond thread, that doesn't mean I'm okay with people derailing it, guys.


Thoughts on tonight's episode? I found it very interesting, about the first known female poet. The part about the possible "cross-pollination" of Solar System rocks/meteors to other solar systems as we pass through various clouds and close to stellar nurseries fascinates me. It also means Star Trek doesn't need to have any "wise alien seeder" species to explain similar evolutionary traits.

 

[classical_hero]

We're on episode behind n Australia and this episode talked about Faraday and Maxwell. It was a good episode because it stuck to things that we can experiment on and not make assumptions about things that can't be experimented on, like the past.

 

[Cutlass]

I'm continuing to enjoy the series. I don't have much specific thoughts on this episode.

 

[adhuin]

It was bit too much on the speculative side for my taste, but otherwise an ok episode.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I stopped watching because the show is just too boring to watch.

Somewhat relevant:


Link to video.

 

[Aroddo]

I wonder why the Gilgamesh story about a flood destroying the world and a man instructed by the gods to build an arc to save the animals sounds so familiar...

COMPARISON OF GENESIS AND GILGAMESH
 	
                         GENESIS                   GILGAMESH

Extent of flood          Global                    Global
Cause                    Man's wickedness          Man's sins
Intended for whom?       All mankind	           One city & all mankind
Sender                   Yahweh                    Assembly of "gods"
Name of hero             Noah                      Utnapishtim
Hero's character         Righteous                 Righteous
Means of announcement    Direct from God           In a dream
Ordered to build boat?   Yes                       Yes
Did hero complain?       Yes                       Yes
Height of boat           Several stories (3)       Several stories (6)
Compartments inside?     Many                      Many
Doors                    One                       One
Windows                  At least one              At least one
Outside coating          Pitch                     Pitch
Shape of boat            Rectangular               Square
Human passengers         Family members only       Family & few others
Other passengers         All species of animals    All species of animals
Means of flood           Ground water & heavy rain Heavy rain
Duration of flood        Long (40 days & nights)   Short (6 days & nights)
Test to find land        Release of birds          Release of birds
Types of birds           Raven & three doves       Dove, swallow, raven
Ark landing spot         Mountain -- Mt. Ararat    Mountain -- Mt. Nisir
Sacrificed after flood?  Yes, by Noah              Yes, by Utnapishtim
Blessed after flood?     Yes                       Yes

Oh, that's why.

 

[classical_hero]

The biggest clue as to why the Epic of Gilgamesh is in correct is the shape of the boat. A floating cube is worthless in the ocean and yet a floating oblong ship like the one described in Genesis is very much one that will survive with the cargo uninjured.

 

[Kyriakos]

^There tends to be a difference between a cube and a square. Not that i see any backing for the oblong ship survival comment you made. As long as the height of the 'ship' is significantly smaller than the width/legth, primitive ships would do as well as they could.

@Aroddo: there are great flood myths in many cultures (iirc at least two in ancient Greece, with the Deucalion one being the main one). But the genesis story indeed is obviously tied to the Babylonian one and seems largely copied.

 

[NYHunter]

I love the series. The cartoons do get really annoying when they contain poor dialogue. However, I enjoy the cartoons for the most part.

 

[Aroddo]

At least this proves that even the ancient Jews enjoyed a good story like anyone else.
I wonder if in a thousand years the latest Abrahamic religion will incorporate My Little Pony verses.

"And God spoke: You shall have no other gods before me, for I am 20% cooler!"
"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth in 10 seconds flat."
"to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Yay."

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The biggest clue as to why the Epic of Gilgamesh is in correct is the shape of the boat. A floating cube is worthless in the ocean and yet a floating oblong ship like the one described in Genesis is very much one that will survive with the cargo uninjured.

Neither myth has any scientific merit, yet you're discounting one of them because of the shape of a mythical boat?

 

[timtofly]

They are the closest stories to the experiences, culture, people groups involved, and time frame when it actually happened. Within generations and within the same location. If they were that close and yet found at extreme or remote areas of the earth, then we may wonder why they could be so close. Could it not be assumed that the further away and the more cultural changes, the more the stories would change over time?