jamesjkirk
Warlord
Yep, I'm sending all of my freights out of the Black sea, since it's too much of a pain to go to St. Petersburg. However, my ships were in Petersburg, so they had to make it down there.
Crises of the New World Order
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Yep, I'm sending all of my freights out of the Black sea, since it's too much of a pain to go to St. Petersburg. However, my ships were in Petersburg, so they had to make it down there.
jamesjkirk
Warlord
I hadn't played the turn yet, I was just telling mordhiem what was up. And everyone will be happy to know that my ships are no longer in the Maldives nor are they blocking the Bosporous 
Eivind IV
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* Another gigantic American Fleet Carrier was sunk, with four unidentified planes onboard.
Please come and discuss peace while we still have the chance...
* Two American subs sunk
* F-16's shot down over Ho Chi Minh
* American Airbase in the Pacific destroyed with some units on it
* Bankok captured, only to finally make peace with the 'Allies'
Please come and discuss peace while we still have the chance...
* Two American subs sunk
* F-16's shot down over Ho Chi Minh
* American Airbase in the Pacific destroyed with some units on it
* Bankok captured, only to finally make peace with the 'Allies'
Ohwell
Deity
Eivind check your PM's. 
Ohwell
Deity
STUNNING INDIAN OFFENSIVE! INDIA ASSISTS CHINESE ALLIES IN WAR WITH AMERICA!
Indonesia- Citizens of this peaceful nation were alarmed when American and Chinese forces engaged nearby. However they had the shock of a lifetime when Indian MiG-27's and Harriers soared overhead. Citizens of Jakarta and surrounding areas saw a large US carrier go into the ocean with a modest load of fighters. The Cruiser escourting it was sunk as well. We hope that the Americans will learn to stay out of the rest of the world. President Ohwelao's suprising action was part of an covert coalition of Arab, Asian, African and South American nations undertaking a project to end America's domination of the world's politics. We only hope that no more carnage will be needed to win this.
SINGAPORE INVADED BY INDIAN PARATROOPS
The bustling metropolis of Singapore was occupied by Indian troops today, apparently part of the operation to end America's domination. Singapore was among the members of the secret coalition, all that was needed to set the Singaporian's free was to get rid of the military dictatorship leading the nation, and this was done flawlessly by Indian airmen and elite special ops. Citizens warmly welcomed the new democratic hopes, and a new constitution is underway.
AMERICANS PROTEST WAR
After tens of thousands of Americans were killed by Chinese and Indian forces a group of 100,000 civilians marched on Washington D.C. today protesting the war.
AMERICAN CONSULATE ASKS TOURISTS TO LEAVE INDIA
Tourists in India's southern tourist areas were asked to evavuate the country in case of possible attacks.
Europe asked to step back; mind their own business
European leaders were urged to stay out of the conflict that has already cost the lives of nearly 100,000 Chinese and American men and women.
Indonesia- Citizens of this peaceful nation were alarmed when American and Chinese forces engaged nearby. However they had the shock of a lifetime when Indian MiG-27's and Harriers soared overhead. Citizens of Jakarta and surrounding areas saw a large US carrier go into the ocean with a modest load of fighters. The Cruiser escourting it was sunk as well. We hope that the Americans will learn to stay out of the rest of the world. President Ohwelao's suprising action was part of an covert coalition of Arab, Asian, African and South American nations undertaking a project to end America's domination of the world's politics. We only hope that no more carnage will be needed to win this.
SINGAPORE INVADED BY INDIAN PARATROOPS
The bustling metropolis of Singapore was occupied by Indian troops today, apparently part of the operation to end America's domination. Singapore was among the members of the secret coalition, all that was needed to set the Singaporian's free was to get rid of the military dictatorship leading the nation, and this was done flawlessly by Indian airmen and elite special ops. Citizens warmly welcomed the new democratic hopes, and a new constitution is underway.
AMERICANS PROTEST WAR
After tens of thousands of Americans were killed by Chinese and Indian forces a group of 100,000 civilians marched on Washington D.C. today protesting the war.
AMERICAN CONSULATE ASKS TOURISTS TO LEAVE INDIA
Tourists in India's southern tourist areas were asked to evavuate the country in case of possible attacks.
Europe asked to step back; mind their own business
European leaders were urged to stay out of the conflict that has already cost the lives of nearly 100,000 Chinese and American men and women.
academia
Master of the Universe
COOL!!!!! WORLD WAR III!!!!! YEA!!!!!
This should be really interesting...
China and India vs. USA and... NATO?
mmm... what about Russia?
This should be really interesting...
China and India vs. USA and... NATO?
mmm... what about Russia?
Ohwell
Deity
Hah, India starting a world war. Think of the ramifications :crazyeyes:
Thought this'd start a bit sooner, though. I just hope that America and EU respect their people's lives and withdraw from the conflict, we have no wish to kill any Americans, just force them to cancel their Imperialist ways.
Thought this'd start a bit sooner, though. I just hope that America and EU respect their people's lives and withdraw from the conflict, we have no wish to kill any Americans, just force them to cancel their Imperialist ways.
mordhiem
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Imperialist ways?!?!?! Are you crazy?
The EU and USA are more than mere allies, we are buisness partners in world capatilism..... err, I mean brothers in the defence of world peace. Seperating us will be impossible. If India is actually crazy enough to start a war then so be it. The point will be mmade by us, shortly and swiftly with no doubt concerning the outcome. This new eastern Axis of terror will stand no more!
"For Americans war is almost all of the time a nuisance, and military skill is a luxury like Mah-Jongg. But when the issue is brought home to them, war becomes as important, for the necessary period, as business or sport. And it is hard to decide which is likely to be the more ominous for the Axis - an American decision that this is sport, or that it is business." - D.W. Brogan
The EU and USA are more than mere allies, we are buisness partners in world capatilism..... err, I mean brothers in the defence of world peace. Seperating us will be impossible. If India is actually crazy enough to start a war then so be it. The point will be mmade by us, shortly and swiftly with no doubt concerning the outcome. This new eastern Axis of terror will stand no more!
"For Americans war is almost all of the time a nuisance, and military skill is a luxury like Mah-Jongg. But when the issue is brought home to them, war becomes as important, for the necessary period, as business or sport. And it is hard to decide which is likely to be the more ominous for the Axis - an American decision that this is sport, or that it is business." - D.W. Brogan
Ohwell
Deity
I'm not starting a war, I'm speeding it's end. I'd very much prefer that you didn't carve up China like an apple pie, so I entered the war on their side. Hopefully you'll end this foolish war. And by the way, I don't take lightly to your dis-regarding of my demands to remove your fleet from Indian protectorate oceans during the Sri Lanka crisis. You have disregarded all my demands, wishes, and violated my sovereignty. We are not a minor power anymore, we are a rising power. Obviously this is not recognized in the west and we will not stand for that, the people of India and China will not stand for that, and nor will the Iraqi's, Angolans, Cubans, and Yemen's. This is not another chance for your burgeoning superpowers to further increase your holdings by turning the east into puppet states, this is a sign that your role as the advanced world is nearing a close.
Eastern Axis of Terror? Are we now terrorists for respecting the will and wishes of 2.4 billion people?
Democracy isn't always kind. Perhaps you liked it better when the people of India had no say? Then go ahead, take your shot, bring back the parliamentary "democracy". We'll see about the outcome. But hopefully you will understand. Hopefully your people will understand.
Call for peace, withdraw from the east and the sovereign nations of Africa, and we will be your brothers in a world of peace. No surrender, no demands, just a peace treaty so you and us will lose no more people.
Eastern Axis of Terror? Are we now terrorists for respecting the will and wishes of 2.4 billion people?
Democracy isn't always kind. Perhaps you liked it better when the people of India had no say? Then go ahead, take your shot, bring back the parliamentary "democracy". We'll see about the outcome. But hopefully you will understand. Hopefully your people will understand.
Call for peace, withdraw from the east and the sovereign nations of Africa, and we will be your brothers in a world of peace. No surrender, no demands, just a peace treaty so you and us will lose no more people.
mordhiem
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Because of course the best way to start a war is to sink a carrier way outside the 6 square exclusion zone already laid down months previously.
Military communiques between NATO leaders and India confirmed that no NATO forces would enter Pre-1992 China. The Indian ambassador relayed that PM Ohweallo was hapy with these terms. (Do we really need to dig up and post the PM's?)
What do you think was destroying the rebel forces that kept re-gathering outside Columbo? Also, no request to withdraw our fleet was made until the Sino-Western war broke out and we immediatley complied with the afformentioned 6 square exclusion zone which neither EU or US forces violated.
Unsuprisingly, the EU leadership is not telepathic. It would greatly help if you told us of these demands in future.Smart rising powers do not risk thier position by starting needless wars with the most powerful nations on the planet.
Because those poor Iraqi's loved Saddam to the core, and the Yemenese just long for the return of civil war that befell thier nation previously. All of the EU's current 'imperial holdings' are recognised members of the Union, with as much say in the running of operations as any other country is.
It is not the 2.4bn people who are at fault, they are just as innocent and good as any of the citizens already slaughtered by Chinese attacks in Indo-China, or India now in Singapore; the evil is in the misguided leadership. In WW2 Germany was not evil, the Nazi's were; in the Cold War the Russian people were not evil, Stalin was; in Iraq, the Iraqi's were not evil, Huessein was. In this new Axis, the Indian and Chinese people are not evil, merley Chariman Eivind and now, it seems, PM Ohweallo.
And what say did democracy have in the strikes on neutral American ships by China and now India? Or on the siezing Singapore? Or the deaths of thousands and capture of many more in South East Asia? Our people will understand, they don't need an 800 page dossier to spot criminals.
India and China surley cannot expect to kill so many US, Allied and Unalligned servicemen, absorb whole stretches of neutral nations and then demand that other, legitimate, organisations 'withdraw' from willing members? Have the Indian leaders lost thier minds?
jamesjkirk
Warlord
Communique from Foreign Minister's Office
Buahahahaha, yes, you imperialist dogs fight amongst yourselves and whenever the "victor" emerges, the Russian Empire will reign supr....mysterious break
The previous Foreign Minister has been found thinking of highly undemocratic things and duly shot. The new minister issues the following:
Our brothers, war helps no one, so hurry and find peace before you find yourselves torn to pieces. It doesn't aid yourselves, nor the countries all of you seek to liberate to sow the seeds of hatred between you. Please end this conflict before everything we've worked for as humans over the years is destroyed.
Buahahahaha, yes, you imperialist dogs fight amongst yourselves and whenever the "victor" emerges, the Russian Empire will reign supr....mysterious break
The previous Foreign Minister has been found thinking of highly undemocratic things and duly shot. The new minister issues the following:
Our brothers, war helps no one, so hurry and find peace before you find yourselves torn to pieces. It doesn't aid yourselves, nor the countries all of you seek to liberate to sow the seeds of hatred between you. Please end this conflict before everything we've worked for as humans over the years is destroyed.
Ohwell
Deity
Again, I didn't start a war. I joined one so the Imperialist Americans and Europeans will not again gain a foothold in Asia.
Correct. That was decided but the Indian people voted to war and PM Ohwelao was forced to propose it to the Parliament. We're just as "democratic" as you are. When we engage war it is the same as when you engage in a war. The same penalties apply.
What about when you DESTROYED Colombo, killing tens of thousands of innocents? I did not ask for European involvment in the area. Nor did you discuss the issue.
Nor did you discuss the "assimilation" of Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, northern Angola, Serbia and other formerly sovereign nations. You just walked in and overthrew their administrations without any sign of discussion. This isn't WW2, this is the modern world and you just cannot invade nations, especially as the so-called world policeman. If your planning to it should be discussed, re-discussed and debated.
Do we need to be "smart"? I don't think sending all your goddam men and women to die in the Pacific ocean, China sea and Indian oceans is too smart either.
Recognized by whom? I never got a chance to discuss this. Please, can you discuss such things BEFORE taking them out?
Perhaps Chairman Eivind is a bit crazy-headed communist but PM Ohwelao is a respected democrat who fights for civil rights in India. Many descisions are made by the Indian people and they largely influenced PM Ohwelao's descision to join the war. They wish to defend their interests and influence just as much as the west does.
Neutral? They were going to attack our Chinese allies. Again many citizens called for war. Though some citizens were against most were for this action. The siezing of Singapore was nothing against the Singaporian people as they were mainly supportive of the removal of both Chinese and US forces in the area but the fascist government did not agree. So we ousted them, mainly as a gesture that we are not kidding around. Singapore will gladly be given back to allied or un-alligned hands once the war is over and we have secured the city.
Maybe we have but it is doubtful. The only nations absorbed by India are:
-Pakistan, which was taken as a pre-emtive strike in order to completely and utterly rid the region of the decades old conflict over Kashmir.
-Afghanistan, which we were given the green light to rid the area of the Taliban. We also did this peacefully.
-Sri Lanka, which was so sadly obliterated by the Europeans.
-And finally Singapore.
You must be thinking of China, who's actions I did not support.
mordhiem
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I could go back and quote you entire post, picking holes in your statements again, but it would produce no gain, only resulting in you quoting my post and then I quote yours, repeat ad infinitium. I don't want to waste Thundefalls precious web space
As a neutral observer to this brilliant PBEM i thought why not offer your opinions and get everyone to hate you rather than themselves 
To this end i thought i would offer my totally unbiased opinion and also maybe compare the characters with certain historical figures, and you probably wont like it lol.
Starting with:
Eivind IV:
Your not going to like this, but in this game i see you as a modern day Hitler . Whatever anyone says you make assurances and then totally disregard them and do what you please. The amount of times i've heard to speak of peace before, on the next turn, invading another country is actually quite an impressive number. And of course just like hitler you have been able to get away with this due to the appeasement of the other major powers, but ill get to that later. Also there is not one time, that i can see, where you have asked for the approval of the UN to sanction any of your "liberations" Just like Hitler didnt with the League of Nations.
Ohwell:
I cant really think of a historical figure for you, you seem to be a mishmash of them
which is great. I see you as a sort of Mussilini (im a ww2 buff lol) following his ally into a war which you didnt really want but will try to prosecute it to the best of your ability, i bet youll also drop out if things dont go your way but thats another story. Overall though youve been quite silent, friendly to everyone although using the "columbo massacre" as an excuse to declare war is like todays US using Pearl Harbour as an excuse to invade japan. Its in the past, but obviously its served its purpose.
Pavlov:
Continuing the WW2 theme, your Neville Chamberlin, but even worse. You kept threatening china if they kept doing aggressive moves yet when they did you just threatened some more and stepped down. Peace in our time, indeed. However like Neville Chamberlin you eventually saw that you had to step in to stop wanton aggression, but like good ol Neville, you did this far far too late. Frankly in my opinion you should have stuck by South Korea, or at worse Taiwan, as soon as China signalled an attack on south korea you move your entire fleet and airforce into the pacific and park them near the taiwanese coast. If china even went near them you bomb the, destroy their airforce, bomb their cities, murder their fleet. Sometimes war is the only way, and unfortunately when it came it caught you flat footed.
jamesjkirk:
You seem the perfect sort to lead the russians, your exactly like Gorby, or maybe Yeltsin, trying to mordernise your economy and cozying up to the west, but keeping the asians cheerful as well. You have stuck with UN resolutions and are generally a trustworthy person. God your boring to write about lol
mordheim:
Last but not least, of course, come the leader of the EU. Now as for a historical character your a bit like Queen Elizabeth I. Your hands on, you stand by your allies come hell or high water, you want peace but your not afraid to kick some tail if that fails, youve complied and asked the UN for almost every action you have undertaken which shows your rather law abiding and despite that you get drawn into a war which no-one really wanted, but that almost everyone saw was coming. Although i must admit, the EU is the only solvent economy in the world when this game starts so you had an advantage there. But if i was playing i would judge you a fitting ally.
In conclusion, some of chinas arguments ring a bit hollow with me. When the Allies invaded the US and Europe you were there criticising them despite the fact they were invaded, and despite the fact that the Americans only bombed a few airbases and took one city to bring the allies to the peace table. Same with the EU.
Yet when you invaded south korea, vietnam, taiwan, "mongolia" and many other places without the UN's Say so, you brush of their criticisms siting the previous examples as justification.
Also in conclusion, this is a great game, keep it up
To this end i thought i would offer my totally unbiased opinion and also maybe compare the characters with certain historical figures, and you probably wont like it lol.
Starting with:
Eivind IV:
Your not going to like this, but in this game i see you as a modern day Hitler
. Whatever anyone says you make assurances and then totally disregard them and do what you please. The amount of times i've heard to speak of peace before, on the next turn, invading another country is actually quite an impressive number. And of course just like hitler you have been able to get away with this due to the appeasement of the other major powers, but ill get to that later. Also there is not one time, that i can see, where you have asked for the approval of the UN to sanction any of your "liberations" Just like Hitler didnt with the League of Nations.Ohwell:
I cant really think of a historical figure for you, you seem to be a mishmash of them
which is great. I see you as a sort of Mussilini (im a ww2 buff lol) following his ally into a war which you didnt really want but will try to prosecute it to the best of your ability, i bet youll also drop out if things dont go your way but thats another story. Overall though youve been quite silent, friendly to everyone although using the "columbo massacre" as an excuse to declare war is like todays US using Pearl Harbour as an excuse to invade japan. Its in the past, but obviously its served its purpose.Pavlov:
Continuing the WW2 theme, your Neville Chamberlin, but even worse. You kept threatening china if they kept doing aggressive moves yet when they did you just threatened some more and stepped down. Peace in our time, indeed. However like Neville Chamberlin you eventually saw that you had to step in to stop wanton aggression, but like good ol Neville, you did this far far too late. Frankly in my opinion you should have stuck by South Korea, or at worse Taiwan, as soon as China signalled an attack on south korea you move your entire fleet and airforce into the pacific and park them near the taiwanese coast. If china even went near them you bomb the, destroy their airforce, bomb their cities, murder their fleet. Sometimes war is the only way, and unfortunately when it came it caught you flat footed.
jamesjkirk:
You seem the perfect sort to lead the russians, your exactly like Gorby, or maybe Yeltsin, trying to mordernise your economy and cozying up to the west, but keeping the asians cheerful as well. You have stuck with UN resolutions and are generally a trustworthy person. God your boring to write about lol
mordheim:
Last but not least, of course, come the leader of the EU. Now as for a historical character your a bit like Queen Elizabeth I. Your hands on, you stand by your allies come hell or high water, you want peace but your not afraid to kick some tail if that fails, youve complied and asked the UN for almost every action you have undertaken which shows your rather law abiding and despite that you get drawn into a war which no-one really wanted, but that almost everyone saw was coming. Although i must admit, the EU is the only solvent economy in the world when this game starts so you had an advantage there. But if i was playing i would judge you a fitting ally.
In conclusion, some of chinas arguments ring a bit hollow with me. When the Allies invaded the US and Europe you were there criticising them despite the fact they were invaded, and despite the fact that the Americans only bombed a few airbases and took one city to bring the allies to the peace table. Same with the EU.
Yet when you invaded south korea, vietnam, taiwan, "mongolia" and many other places without the UN's Say so, you brush of their criticisms siting the previous examples as justification.
Also in conclusion, this is a great game, keep it up
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