Current Civ and Leader Abilities Elimination Thread.

[Felis Renidens]

For today:
America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 21 - because culture from kills is nice + extra wildcard.
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18 - because they are blocked from a victory type, although one I don't usually try to achieve.
Macedon 21
Norway 11
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18
Russia 21
Scythia 21
Spain 14
Sumeria 20

 

[King William I]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 21
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 11
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18
Russia 21
Scythia 21
Spain 14 - 3 = 11 (worst bonus in game, counting Norway)
Sumeria 20 + 1 (bonus from killing barb camps is awesome)

 

[Guandao]

America 20
Arabia (20+1)=21 Both Civ and Leader Abilities are decent, you get a guaranteed religion with a downside (the good beliefs are usually taken), but faith purchasing worship buildings cost less
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France (20-3)=17 I don't really care about Catherine de Medici's Leader ability..
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 21
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 11
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18
Russia 21
Scythia 21
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Manifold]

America 20
Arabia 21
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 17
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 21 (20+1) wildcard is good
Greece - Sparta 18 (21-3) (culture from kills did not fit to Sparta)
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 11
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18
Russia 21
Scythia 21
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Amrunril]

America 20
Arabia 21
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 14 (17 - 3) Even more than V, Civ VI is a game that snowballs very heavily, and France gets virtually no bonuses until the mid-game.
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 11
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18
Russia 21
Scythia 22 (21 + 1) Not one of my favorites design wise, but there's a different thread for that, and power-wise there's not much that can compete with doubling your early game army.
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Kimiimaro]

America 20
Arabia 21
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 14
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 11
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18-3=15 - Weak and boring.
Russia 21
Scythia 22+1=23 - Probably the best warmonger civ in game.
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Orange1861]

America 20
Arabia 22 (21 + 1) Free religion and has great science bonuses with it.
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 17 (20 - 3) Pretty weak Great Person effect. Super weak away when away from rainforest. Also, the Brazilian AI tends to be a jerk to you since players are good at generating great people.
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 14
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 11
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 21
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[bcaiko]

America 20
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22 (21+1) Free workers that can ramp up production on (terribly overcosted) districts? Deal me in.
Brazil 17
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 14
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 8 (11-3) I agree with everything said on this one. Naval and water combat is weak to the point of uselessness because coastal cities are bad. Let's just get them out of here.
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 21
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Liufeng]

America 20
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 14 - 3 = 11 Those spies and visibility bonus are useless, unless they introduce a good diplomatic victory ....(and they're even more useless against human players).
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 8 + 1 = 9 People will probably think I'm crazy. But I really had fun with one of their abilities. I was playing on islands map, and thanks to the ability to pillage coastal tiles, I had a HUGE advance in civics and science because of all the bonus huts I "pillaged", and since I could go in deep water before the others, all of them were mine to grab ! Best science victory ... with Norway
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 21
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Felis Renidens]

America 20
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 21
Egypt 20
England 14 - Forgive me Vicki. I'll take those 3 points. I'm just not much of a colonizer.
France 14
Germany 23 - today they can get their +1 for the hansa (yesterday was Holocaust memorial day in my country so it was delayed).
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 8
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 21
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Guandao]

America (20-3)=17 In my game as America, I didn't make much use of Teddy's Abilities, I don't really notice the Civ Ability's impact on my game.
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 21
Egypt 20
England 14
France 14
Germany (23+1)=24 Freddy's Ability is suited for warmongers and those seeking to conquer CS due to limited map space, but the Civ Ability helps in Peace time too.
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 8
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 21
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Amrunril]

America =17
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22 (21 + 1) A 20% discount on the majority of your techs and civics is hard to argue with. So's having a decisive advantage in any early wonder race and being able to later mop up all the unclaimed ancient and classical wonders with minimal effort.
Egypt 20
England 11 (14 - 3) England has some significant bonuses, but they rarely have much impact until midway through the game.
France 14
Germany =24
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 8
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 21
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Orange1861]

America =17
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 11
France 14
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 5 (8 - 3) Norway is rather sad due to naval game play is near worthless, especially before the Renaissance.
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 22 (21 + 1) Land grab and guaranteed free people is a great thing.
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[roguesaw]

America =18 (17+1) I really like the Legacy Bonus ability.
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 11
France 14
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway 2 (5-3) Almost gone!
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 21

 

[Felis Renidens]

America =18
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 11
France 14
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Norway -1 ELIMINATED - If it had one more point I would have tried saving it instead, I believe they have merits. However, so far I never managed to make good use of them and it's too late now. BYE!
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 22 - +1 mainly for turning barbs into goody huts. It makes hunting them more fun

 

[Kimiimaro]

I just noticed that France should have 11 points. Or 12?

America =18-3=15 - I'm not a fan of their abilities.
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 11
France 11+1=12 - Some see double tourism as weak, I say the opposite. Combined with their production bonus on wonders of three eras, I think it's great. It's definitely underrated here.
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 11
Sumeria 22

 

[Guandao]

America =15
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 11
France 12
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan (17+1)=18 Civ Ability is decent, Leader Ability fits Hojo Tokimune, being able to build at least three districts faster is nice (though these 3 are probably not popular among Civ players...)
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 15
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain (11-3)=8 Leader Ability is only good for Religious victory and maybe Domination, As for the Civ ability, I rarely make fleets, the yields from trade routes between continents is meh, what about the rapid spread of their culture?
Sumeria 22

 

[Manifold]

America =15
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 12 (11+1) two traders per city is very good
France 12
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 14
Japan 18
Kongo 18
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17 (20-3) do not fit
Rome 15
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 8
Sumeria 22

 

[LethalLeigh]

America =15
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 12
France 12
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 11 (14-3) Ok Civ for a Religious game other wise not very interesting.
Japan 18
Kongo 19 (18+1) I love recruiting Great people and Kongo are one of the best at it.
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 15
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 8
Sumeria 22

 

[Amrunril]

America =18-3=15 - I'm not a fan of their abilities.
France 11+1=12 - Some see double tourism as weak, I say the opposite. Combined with their production bonus on wonders of three eras, I think it's great. It's definitely

If double tourism is strong, that reflects much more positively on America than on France.

America =15
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 22
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 12
France 12
Germany = 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 11
Japan 15 (18 - 3) A great UA from a design perspective, but a bit underwhelming in terms of power. By the times you can really take advantage of it, adjacency bonuses are overshadowed by building yields. Aditionally, the electronics factory got hit very hard by the industrial zone nerf.
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 16 (15 + 1) Early bonuses are powerful, and they don't come earlier than Rome's. In addition to moving you quickly through the early civics, the LA saves a ton of production as you rapidly build new cities , while the baths make it easy to grow those cities in the midgame.
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 8
Sumeria 22