Current Civ and Leader Abilities Elimination Thread.

[Orange1861]

Hello Everyone!

I think it would be interesting to see what the community thinks about all of the civilizations' abilities compared to each other.

We are rating civs mainly on leader and civ abilities but also unique units, improvements and unique districts.

Standard Forum Elimination Game Rules:

1) Around every 24 hours, you add 1 point to one civilization you want to see and subtract 3 points from a civ that you are less eager to see return.
2) Each civ starts with 20 points. First civ eliminated takes last place, and so forth. Last surviving contender is considered to be the best civ!
3) Give a reason each time you vote for why you chose as you did.
4) Don't comment in the thread unless your post involves this voting.

May the best civ win!

Ranking:
1 Germany
2 Aztec
3 Australia
4 Arabia
5 Russia
6 Sumeria
7 Scythia
8 China
9 Macedon
10 Rome
11 England
12 Greece - Sparta
13 Greece - Athens
14 Egypt
15 Kongo
16 America
17 Persia
18 Brazil
19 Poland
20 Japan
21 France
22 India
23 Spain
24 Norway

Link to the wiki for easy information:

http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_VI

 

[Orange1861]

America 20

Arabia 20

Australia 20

Aztec 20

Brazil 20

China 21 (20 + 1) Having higher Eurakas and being able to insta-build most early wonders are great perks.

Egypt 20

England 20

France 20

Germany 20

Greece - Athens 20

Greece - Sparta - 20

India 20

Japan 20

Kongo 20

Macedon 20

Norway 17 (20 - 3) These guys are probably going to die pretty quick so I might as well start it.

Persia 20

Poland 20

Rome 20

Russia 20

Scythia 20

Spain 20

Sumeria 20

 

[Siptah]

Isn't a very similar Thread already running?

 

[Kimiimaro]

I erased the gaps between civs. I hope you won't mind, it's just better for clarity.

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 20
Aztec 20
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 20
France 20
Germany 20+1=21 (Very powerful. It's probably most versatile civilization in game. Additional district allows them to pursuit every victory type. Hansa is decent, because production is important.)
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 20
Japan 20
Kongo 20
Macedon 20
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 20-3=17 - While Norway is not good, Rome is weak too. Free roads? Boo! Trajan's columns? Decent at best. Roman ability from Civ V was somewhat weak, but definitely more versatile and useful.
Russia 20
Scythia 20
Spain 20
Sumeria 20

 

[Orange1861]

Isn't a very similar Thread already running?

I do not believe so, there are current civ themes and soundtrack threads, but none on actual abilities.

 

[Siptah]

The civ depiction thread? People seem to take abilities into account there.

 

[Orange1861]

The civ depiction thread? People seem to take abilities into account there.

That one is more like "Athens's culture per city-state ability fits in well with its history," and is about the civs' portrayal.
This one is "how good are the abilities?" and doesn't factor in history, quality of the animations, etc..

I erased the gaps between civs. I hope you won't mind, it's just better for clarity.

I don't mind. It's fine, thank you.

 

[Orange1861]

Reposting due to the large unrelated comment chain.

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 20
Aztec 20
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 20
France 20
Germany 21
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 20
Japan 20
Kongo 20
Macedon 20
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 17
Russia 20
Scythia 20
Spain 20
Sumeria 20

 

[Guandao]

A better name for this thread would be Civ Abilities Elimination Thread...

 

[Orange1861]

A better name for this thread would be Civ Abilities Elimination Thread...

That's a good idea, I agree, perhaps a moderator should change the title?

Moderator Action: Done -- Browd

 

[Liufeng]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 20
Aztec 20
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 20
France 20
Germany 21
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 20 - 3 = 17 One follower belief per religion is a little bit weak I feel ...
Japan 20
Kongo 20 + 1 = 21 Kongo is going to be top 10, it's civ's bonuses are absolutely crazy !
Macedon 20
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 17
Russia 20
Scythia 20
Spain 20
Sumeria 20

By the way, are we talking about Civ's abilities or Civ abilities and Leader abilities ? Because if it's the first, there's no sense in separating Greece Athens and Sparta ...

 

[Guandao]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 20
Aztec 20
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 20-3=17 What if I don't want to build Archaeologists?
France 20
Germany 21
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 17
Japan 20
Kongo 21
Macedon 20+1=21 Nice version of Civ5 Assyria's ability
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 17
Russia 20
Scythia 20
Spain 20
Sumeria 20

 

[joncnunn]

By the way, are we talking about Civ's abilities or Civ abilities and Leader abilities ? Because if it's the first, there's no sense in separating Greece Athens and Sparta ...

Looks to me like he intended to include the leader abilities as well. Greece - Grongo / Greece - Pericles would probably be better names for those two within the poll.

 

[Orange1861]

Looks to me like he intended to include the leader abilities as well. Greece - Grongo / Greece - Pericles would probably be better names for those two within the poll.

I'm referring to leader and civ abilities as well as units and districts.

I'll edit the post to reflect this.

 

[Leyrann]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21 (20+1) Love playing with their appeal bonus, housing bonus and outback stations.
Aztec 20
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 21
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 14 (17-3) Not a fan of religious bonuses.
Japan 20
Kongo 21
Macedon 21
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 17
Russia 20
Scythia 20
Spain 20
Sumeria 20

 

[Orange1861]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21
Aztec 20
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 21
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 14
Japan 17 (20 - 3) Abilities are near useless, the electronic factory is good but comes too late.
Kongo 21
Macedon 21
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 17
Russia 21 (20 + 1) One of the best civs with a lot of titles per city at founding and its ability to mass produce great people.
Scythia 20
Spain 20
Sumeria 20

 

[WillowBrook]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21
Aztec 21 (20+1) fun combination of abilities
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 21
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 21
Macedon 21
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 17
Russia 21
Scythia 20
Spain 17 (20-3) overall, underwhelming. The mission should be buffed.
Sumeria 20

 

[Felis Renidens]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 21
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 14 - no change but I will put Varus to their defense.
Japan 17
Kongo 21
Macedon 21
Norway 17
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18 (17+1) - not having to build a monument makes them really fun to play
Russia 21
Scythia 20
Spain 14 (17-3) - I now reload if I get them.
Sumeria 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 21+1=22 - It's great. Free Campus for Science victory. Free Encampment/Hansa for Domination victory. Free Holy Site for Religion victory. Free Theater Square for Culture victory. Most versatile civilization in game. And Hansa is great, because production is imporant for wonders, for army, for fast building.
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 21
Macedon 21
Norway 17-3=14 - Norwegian bonuses are weak. Their civilization doesn't have much to offer.
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18
Russia 21
Scythia 20
Spain 14
Sumeria 20

 

[Guandao]

America 20
Arabia 20
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 20
China 21
Egypt 20
England 17
France 20
Germany 22
Greece - Athens 20
Greece - Sparta - 20
India 14
Japan 17
Kongo 21
Macedon 21
Norway (14-3)=11 I agree that Norway's abilities are weak. And I dislike Island maps.
Persia 20
Poland 20
Rome 18
Russia 21
Scythia (20+1)=21 Tomyris' Ability is a perfect fit for warmongers
Spain 14
Sumeria 20