Cybernetics - The next stage of Evolution

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As some posters already know I am fascinated by the concept of evolution, more precisely, taking evolution into our own hands. Lets look at the way evolution works for a moment. Evolution comes about from influences such as climate change, habitat, disease, etc. However technology has changed all that. We have the ability to solve problems, not to let nature decide who lives and who dies. We can deal with diseases that if left to take their course could kill thousands and leave but a few that have built immunity. So where does cybernetics come in? Here is the dictionary definition:

The theoretical study of control processes in electronic, mechanical, and biological systems; especially, the mathematical analysis of the flow of information in such systems.

But is that really all there is to it? Cybernetics offers humanity the chance to hold the reins, to evolve of its own accord. But why should we do this? Well there are many reasons for this. I remember watching some time ago on the discovery channel a program about the future of space travel. It highlighted important issues such as the effects on the body whilst in space and how in the long-term exposure would prove fatal. Radiation, bone disease, cancer. There was a lot of talk on the program about changing our physical form, adapting it for long term exposure to the riggers of long term space travel. But evolution is not limited to the physical form. Think about the evolution of communication. What if we could communicate to others across the world directly through our minds? A network of brains. Now I’m not talking about turning humans into the Borg. What I am talking about is creating a global society, like those which exist on the internet except on a much bigger scale. Such an advance would bring the world so much closer together; the implications of such a discovery are far reaching. Think about the ability to transfer thoughts and feelings, to be long to a global society of linked minds. Of course you’re going to need to buy a firewall with that brain enhancement!

What I have mentioned so far are but two possible outcomes of research into cybernetics. But what else can it offer? Well by the very nature of study, cybernetics will offer us greater understanding of how organs such as the liver, lungs, heart, etc work. With that knowledge we could create better, stronger more durable organs, organs unaffected by disease. I don’t think I have to spell out the implications of such developments. In the foreseeable future cybernetics will certainly improve interaction and communication with computers. Research conducted at Brown University in Providence, R.I. allowed a man to move a mouse cursor on a screen using his mind. Just think about the implications of further development of such technology. No more keyboards (Thank god for that! After 10 years I still can’t touch type!). You can go here for a more detailed report on it. Such technology could help paralysed people to walk again; using artificial limbs and brain implants.

So what’s a cyborg? Well we already are a race of cyborgs. We use technology to aid our deficiencies. For example the walking stick is used to aid a poor leg just as glasses are used to improve problems with eyesight. In a sense, using the Internet makes us cyborg. I’m using a forum as an alternate means of interacting with a society. It is a different method of communication.

The leading authority on cybernetics is a Brit called Kevin Warwick. He has pioneered research in the field. He has had two operations to implant devices into his body. The first was a small chip that would send a signal to the department computer every time he entered the building. This triggered lights and a computer greeting. The second operation was to implant a device for recording information from the median nerve fibres in his arm. This was later tested, allowing a robotic arm to mimic Kevin’s movements as information was passed from the implant to the robotic arm. For more information go here.

Before this discussion kicks off I would like to lay down a few ground rules.

This discussion is for the scientific types on this forum so I don’t want to see people banging on about the blasphemous nature of altering Gods creation. However I welcome views on the potential problems that may arise from such technology.

Please post any sources of information you have found. Share the knowledge!

I am not a moderator; as such I cannot in anyway enforce these rules so I am going to rely on the old-fashioned honour system.

:borg: Lets adapt.
 
I saw the profressor's website. BTW, did he ever write that book? It was supposed to have the results of the latest nerve implant experiment. It's an interesting topic, and I could probably write pages about what might come out of it... (I'll try writing some up later)

EDIT: I see the webpage has finally been updated.
 
Cybernetics leads to bad things:

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Cybernetics do not really lead to bad things.

The existance of a hollywood fatasy movie also is no evidence of cybernetics being 'bad'.

I think the could lead to a fear better world, a far more stable way of improving human health that genetics.

It is a technology that is already underway in Japan and the States, and will lead to even greater ease of life and work for humans.

I am sure people said locomotives 'were a bad thing' when they appeared.

Yes, and cyborg implants will be our next sage of development.
I am sure we will always desire the aesthetic looks of a human, but I foresee cyber lungs and hearts, more efficient organs.

One day we will regard cyber tech as everyday things, like eye-glasses and home appliances.

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I understand what you are saying, but it would be best to clarify the terminology.

Properly speaking evolution is a process not an outcome. It is a process that acts on a population of a species. Now, the level of control we are capable of is on individuals (albeit in potentially large numbers). This can have a massive impact on an evolutionary process but, unless you have complete control of your population (and nowadays we are arguably close to having to regard all people as part on one population), you are not determining an evolutionary outcome.

Of course you can talk loosely of social, cultural, technological (...etc.) evolution, but even here you have the problem of control at the population level.

To take your original premise, homo sapiens has from the start had this power you describe, and in a perhaps less conscious way so have other species. What has changed in recent times is that we have become more effective in our control of our environment and more conscious of our own nature and of nature as a whole.

Despite its potentially radical impact, creating a "cyborg" is no more an evolutionary process than wearing clothes or fitting dentures; not even if everyone is fitted with devices and implants to enhance all sorts of capabilities.

Nor does such a situation herald the "end of evolution". Only the end of all "life" can achieve that because evolution does not have a program. Evolutionary changes happen, or doesn't happen due to circumstances at a particular time (not necessarily a short time either).

In fact it is impossible to predict the outcomes of radical changes on a mass scale and for all the obvious and desirable benefits that can be achieved through cybernetics, there is always the potential for unforeseen consequences proving to be more significant.
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling
Yes, and cyborg implants will be our next sage of development.
I am sure we will always desire the aesthetic looks of a human, but I foresee cyber lungs and hearts, more efficient organs.

One day we will regard cyber tech as everyday things, like eye-glasses and home appliances.

:)
Resistance is Futile. :borg:

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Originally posted by napoleon526

Resistance is Futile. :borg:

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Hey, where'd you get that picture of Lefty? :p

Anyway, here's where I think computer technology is headed: (guessing maybe 50-100 years from now)

Embedded Digital Fibers - nanofibers acting like nerve cells would be embedded in all products (including foods, clothings, toiletries, etc). These fibers would identify an object as a single entity once calibrated. This would help find stolen objects. My guess: 50-100 years.

Embedded Chips and other nanotechs - Yes, this is the one that conspiracy theories are made of, but we won't go there just yet. Looking at Prof. Kevin Warwick's page, it seems he could communicate the sense of touch in the 2nd experiment. Chips could also be calibrated to be assiciated with 1 individual (like a SSN so to speak). Definately different implications:

1 - The Military. Rescuing troops, identifying wounds and the degree of damage in a soldier, more organized troop movement, instant communication. (This is probably where the borg got there start. "The Collective") My Guess: 30-50 years.

2 - Providing medical assistance to people. Any injury that a person suffers can have an embulance sent right to their house without much delay. My Guess: 30-50 years.

3 - Finding missing people or crooks on the loose. (that gets into the realm of 'Big Brother'...) My Guess: 30-50 years.

Cyber-Genetic Enhancement (a.ka. Cybernetics) - This will probably be an expensive tech (thus "The 6 million dollar man" - remember that show?). Not only for the military, but for people with disabilities too. There's already pace makers, hearing aid implants, and metal replacement for bones, and even new technologies for vision. My guess: 50 years.

Bio-Internet - This one could be "Weird Science". If people had neuro-chips (like Prof. Warick's experiment, and then some), they could communicate in thoughts (if that becomes possible). Businesses would move much faster, new technologies would be researched faster. Also, imagine the world of computer games. :) People could play MMO games with others in their sleep. 7-9 hours of entertainment in their sleep. They could tap into the Internet if they could. My guess: 50-70 years.

Dynamic Internet - The Internet will (and I've read some articles on this - just can't find them. One was on CNN) be like a massive super computer, and that's already starting. It would be able to use any free resources that users are using in real time (not just a computer independantly does research, but actively sends information across the Net). My guess: 5-15 years. (as research is already being done).
 
Well, I'm pro, except the case, OS was Windows. :p

A real word example:
Cochlea implant - gives hearing ability back to deaf people. Doesn't work though, if you were deaf from birth, as the brain won't learn how to interpret the electric signals.

As I sayed, I'm a firm pro, so I will now advocate the con side. Makes more fun to me. :D

some remarks on evolution:

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not to let nature decide who lives and who dies.
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Evolution isn't about who will live and who will die. Evolution is about who has more offspring. Or as a compromise, nature decides which species/genes will live and which will die out.

Darwin produced an example on the reproduction rate of elephants. First ideas go back to late 1700's. (Thomas Robert Malthus). Basically, all growth is expontial, until some constraints are met. Some genetic variations allow for more ancestors and will therefore spread itself into the genetic base of the species.

By wich process do we replace blind clockmaker called nature? Auto-evolution might seem like to try lifting oneself out of the dirt by pulling on your own hair.

market economy

Who will design our Cybo-Servos? Scientists, Marketing folks or politicians? Policemen or security even? Who will program the code and set the backdoors? Will I be able to make my own kernel? Is it open source?

Oh, I can already see those damn add-pop-ups appearing in my nerve-link in the worst possible moment. An industry that gives us suv's will certainly come up with a full range of foolish enhancer gadgets. Oh, and I really liked to see a lust button, hardwired right into my brains pleasure center!

By now, we all have about the same genetic equipment, kind of a standard model. Just think of the immense social issues arousing with high class, state-of-the-art devices and costly upgrades. Bill Gates' enhancers will outperform me a thousand fold. Or do you expect National Health Care to get a raise in fundings?

technical desasters

Shall we all turn into guinea pigs? You go first please.
 
I think the idea of The Matrix is the evolution of our species. We are already heading that way with computers and game consoles but eventually we'll become so advanced that we will be able to 'hook up' to a machine and enter a vitual reality. After awhile we will realize that this reality is somewhat better than actual reality. Then more and more we will spend our waking days in it until we are born, raised, and live within this construct.
 
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