DA 01: Abortion: Yay or Nay?

[Trajan12]

Sorry, but I will still firmly plant to state that Abortions are inherently wrong and immoral since its the destruction of life and that it goes on the grounds of murder since it is the fundamental right that the fetus should be alive, not killed.

Sorry I cant take a devils advocate on this because abortion is something that I am strongly against.

Oh don't give me that destruction of rights bull, they arent even born yet! Just because your Bible says we can't do something does not mean we have to abide by it.

 

[Sidhe]

I feel strongly about what is a life, I find it strange that people can make a judgement about where life starts, for me it starts at the moment of conception, ie the five signs of life are present within the cells after this moment. On a religous level of course all life is sacred, the harming of life of a pregnant mother of a potential child of God is morally repugnant to me, what gives anyone the right to take a life, and why should their not be a reaction against such practices. In that cojoined cell is a human being that may have grown up to be something special, maybe not, but what gives us the right to selectively destroy a childs right to exist?

Oh don't give me that destruction of rights bull, they arent even born yet! Just because your Bible says we can't do something does not mean we have to abide by it.

Doesn't mean we have to trample all over peoples beliefs though either, science needs to work in synch with a society if, I have a right to stand up for what I believe in and socety should reflect all it's citizens views.

 

[Xanikk999]

Sidhe i cant beileve im becoming more liberal then you. Abortion should be allowed except to save the life of the mother and only in early terms otherwise.

I dont buy women not knowing they are pregnent though. Nobody can be that much of a whore.

 

[C~G]

I dont buy women not knowing they are pregnent though. Nobody can be that much of a whore.

Sig material.

 

[GenMarshall]

Oh don't give me that destruction of rights bull, they arent even born yet! Just because your Bible says we can't do something does not mean we have to abide by it.

This may be a shocker to you, but for abortions. I don't rely 100% on the bible. But I am against abortions because I see it as a destruction of human life I believe that life begins at the moment of conception where two cells unite to form an individual human being (and if you're lucky two individual human beings in the case of twins). I feel that life is to valuable to be killed and thrown away just because you don't want to have a baby.

Yes it is a shocker to all of you because this is my own opinion, Not the views from the Catholic Church. Yes people, I am able to think for myself .

 

[zenspiderz]

Abortion is murder. There is no definite evidence to say when a soul takes residence in a body, it may happen from the moment of conception. Thus we must assume that from the moment of conception it is a human life with a soul. All life is sacred especially human life you cannot take it away just to please the selfish and irresponsible sluttish behavior of the parents. If the parents do not want the child they can put it up for adoption. Abortion is not necessary...

(oh dear I shouldn't have posted on this thread... I was quite undecided on the issue like anneesh however I wanted to play so I assumed that I was in favour of the option of abortion and then took the opposite view. But actually I think I just convinced myself that abortion really is murder... In which case my post isn't playing 'devil's advocate' )

 

[Xanikk999]

Abortion is murder. There is no definite evidence to say when a soul takes residence in a body, it may happen from the moment of conception. Thus we must assume that from the moment of conception it is a human life with a soul. All life is sacred especially human life you cannot take it away just to please the selfish and irresponsible sluttish behavior of the parents. If the parents do not want the child they can put it up for adoption. Abortion is not necessary...

(oh dear I shouldn't have posted on this thread... I was quite undecided on the issue like anneesh however I wanted to play so I assumed that I was in favour of the option of abortion and then took the opposite view. But actually I think I just convinced myself that abortion really is murder... In which case my post isn't playing 'devil's advocate' )

But it cant be murder if its legal mr logical.

 

[Tycoon101]

I say that we slaughter all the children, because kids are the property of their parents until age 21, so they should be broken in whatever manner their parents feel is right.

 

[Sidhe]

Sidhe i cant beileve im becoming more liberal then you. Abortion should be allowed except to save the life of the mother and only in early terms otherwise.

I'm a right wing Christian, thank you very much

I dont buy women not knowing they are pregnent though. Nobody can be that much of a whore.

Your logic is obviously lacking, a woman can be a whore, but then being a whore is a sin, and this encourages more abortion. Sex should be between man and wife, then such union is likely to occur within a more productive familly setting.

 

[ShannonCT]

Yes it is a shocker to all of you because this is my own opinion, Not the views from the Catholic Church. Yes people, I am able to think for myself .

If this is true then I challenge you to play Devil's Advocate and abide by the premise of the thread. If you can't, then ignore the thread and argue your viewpoint in the many other abortion threads.

My DA argument:
While abortion is something that no woman wishes she had to go through, and while a woman would usually want to keep the child if she had the means, abortion is a necessary evil and worse than delivering an unwanted child. An unwanted child may have a miserable life and suffer much more in life than it would having its life ended as a fetus. It is immoral to give birth to a child who will have a miserable life.

 

[Xanikk999]

Sidhe i cant beileve im becoming more liberal then you. Abortion should be allowed except to save the life of the mother and only in early terms otherwise.

I'm a right wing Christian, thank you very much



Your logic is obviously lacking, a woman can be a whore, but then being a whore is a sin, and this encourages more abortion. Sex should be between man and wife, then such union is likely to occur within a more productive familly setting.

Is this some joke? I know your not christian. And you should know by now im not either.

 

[Sidhe]

Sidhe i cant beileve im becoming more liberal then you. Abortion should be allowed except to save the life of the mother and only in early terms otherwise.


Is this some joke? I know your not christian. And you should know by now im not either.

Yeah thus the smilie, it is a devils advocate thread, so anything goes, if your going to be hypocritical you might as well get in character

 

[Xanikk999]

Yeah thus the smilie, it is a devils advocate thread, so anything goes, if your going to be hypocritical you might as well get in character

Oh for some reason i didnt see that smiley...

How am i being a hypocrite?

 

[mangxema]

What about women raped at parties and such?

It is at least partially her fault for being so negligent. Obviously the guy can always simply not rape her, but the girl is putting herself in a very vulnerable position. I mean, I live in downtown Atlanta, and sure, I have the right to walk downtown alone, wearing flashy jewelry and fancy clothes at 3 AM, but I can hardly complain if somebody tries to mug me. I've just made myself a huge target.

Yes, the perpetrator is mostly to blame, but the victim is not entirely blameless. However, the child is and I don't believe in killing innocent people.

And if the rapist brought a cutting instrument, and cut it? And anyway, how can you expect every woman to wear that all the time? That's totally unreasonable! Don't you have any respect for the rights of women?

Okay... in this case, the defense fails. But honestly, is that realistic? Do rapists normally carry cutting instruments? Is the victim just going to sit back and wait patiently for this stranger to finish? I don't think so...

Of course I have respect for women! I'm insulted you would suggest such a thing! Without women, I'd be eating ramen every meal and never have clean clothes to wear.

My point is that if she doesn't want to help defend herself, that's her decision. And if that decision doesn't turn out so well for her... Oh well. That doesn't excuse killing an innocent child.

 

[GenMarshall]

If this is true then I challenge you to play Devil's Advocate and abide by the premise of the thread. If you can't, then ignore the thread and argue your viewpoint in the many other abortion threads.

So in a sense, you're telling me to shut up?! I cannot and will not defend the good (which I see as inherently immoral) in abortions, even if its playing Devils Advocate.

The only good that I see is the possibility to save the mother's life if the pregnancy is enganger to the mother's life and all methods have been exhausted and abortion is the only way to save a mother's life.

 

[ShannonCT]

So in a sense, you're telling me to shut up?!

No, I'm challenging you to demonstrate that you can think and argue for a position that you dont necessarily believe, as everyone else in this thread has attempted to do. That is the point of this thread. If people are just going to argue the same position that they're arguing in other threads, this thread becomes worthless.

If I have nothing to contribute to a particular thread, I dont go making random posts that are off topic.

The only good that I see is the possibility to save the mother's life if the pregnancy is enganger to the mother's life and all methods have been exhausted and abortion is the only way to save a mother's life.

Off topic...

 

[GenMarshall]

No, I'm challenging you to demonstrate that you can think and argue for a position that you dont necessarily believe, as everyone else in this thread has attempted to do.

Can I start over, since I am not that good at this sort of thing as well as ignore my previous post?

 

[ShannonCT]

Can I start over, since I am not that good at this sort of thing as well as ignore my previous post?

If you wish. If you feel uncomfortable, you dont have to play DA. I believe there is an immorailty thread that mentions abortion.

 

[GenMarshall]

Well here goes.

DA Mode:
I believe that abortions should be done for it helps weed out the weak to make a stronger society. Abortions should be used in cases where genetic informalities are found in the child.

 

[Sidhe]

Oh for some reason i didnt see that smiley...

How am i being a hypocrite?

I was talking about me really.

But if you're advocating something you don't believe in, you are being hypocritical, but obviously it's not in a bad sense, it's just part of the thread.