Danization (Danish MOD)

[onedreamer]

Hi JuuL,

you could place 3 cities for each clan to begin with. It shouldn't take too much time to load.

Btw, if you want to give your mod a Latin title (why ?) it should be "De Gesta Danorum"

You had a nice idea, I'll try it out as soon as I can and make you know something, although I know almost nothing about Denmark history, except the origins of its name

 

[JuuL]

I don't think it will be necesarry to pre-place cities with the new (and smaller) map.

"De Gesta Danorum" (About the Deeds of the Danes?)... I could call it that but then it wouldn't be the title of Saxo's chronicle.

"the origins of its name " - could you share your knowledge with us?

 

[onedreamer]

well, simply "mark" was a term used in middle age to define a province. Danmark = province of the danes.

De Gesta Danorum means "The Deeds of the Danes". Any title in Latin starts like that... simply just "gesta danorum" would be an incomplete sentence. For example, the famous book that describes Cesar's campaign in Gaul "De Bello Gallico" , "The Gallic War".

 

[Magma]

to Magma: Good idea. But it would be strange if the Germans started building Danish wonders like Dannevirke and Rosenborg.... they would have to be different in some way... I could use the "no wonders" and "no small wonders" options in the civ editing menu but I'm not sure that it would be very interesting two fight to civs that can't build wonders... so Germany and Sweden would have to have their own techs, units and wonders - but I don't know enough about their history to make it myself...

make an other tech tree to germany and sweden then make 3 techs one to the danes one to sweden and one to germany the techs age shall be NONE, then the danes techs will need the one tech that they have got and the same with the other two now u have 3 diffrent tech trees

 

[JuuL]

onedreamer:
From a Latin dictionary:
"de prep. with abl. (1) in space , [down from, away from]. Transf., [coming from] an origin; [taken from] a class or stock, [made from] a material, [changed from] a previous state; of information, [from] a source. (2) in time, [following from, after; in the course of, during]. (3) [about] a subject; [on account of] a cause; [according to] a standard."
"De" simply means "about" - "About the Gallic War". But the title of Saxo's chronicle was only "Gesta Danorum"
"Danmark = province of the Danes" - I know that. I thought that " " meant that you had some kind of funny theory...

Magma:
¿Qué?

 

[PDminion]

Hi Juul.

Very impressive work you have done here, haven't tested anything yet, but as soon as you'll release a C3C version I'll be quick to try it.
Do you need any help (ideas, names etc.), I can't do any graphics, but besides that I would be glad to help in any way possible.

I need some help: I need a name for a building that allows the 2nd city size (5+). It should be possible to build it from the early or middle part of the Viking Age (must be about 700 AD when the first larger towns appeared in Danmark). It can't be anything with supplying water since that would become obsolete with Sanitation...
Any ideas?

If you haven't solved this yet I have a suggestion: Minor or Early urban planning. As you are no doubtly aware the vikings were excellent cityplanners as the excavations(not sure it's correct english) (udgravninger) of the few viking cities proves. The cities were perfectly geometric and buildings aligned with great precision.

- I have imported the old PtW rules to a new C3C file and made a new map. Danmark is quite smaller than before, but England, Estonia, the land of the Wends, Southern Norway, The Gold Coast and Virgin Islands have been added.

I like the old map, couldn't you just make two different wonders, one in the viking age and one in colonization age?

Idea #3:
It would be nice to make it possible to choose which political party is in power when using the Constitutional Monarchy govt.
This could be done like this:
Every coalition of parties will become a building or small wonder, which can only be built in the capital (requires Palace). By using the "Replaces others buildings with this flag checked" (or whatever it's called) it will only be possible to have one of the buildings. This will make it impossible to have a power plant in your capital but it won't be a problem if the Government buildings gives a production bonus.
The following government buildings could be used:
Socialdemokraterne + De Radikale. The traditional left-wing/middle coalition. Could give something like a free Labour Uniun in all cities (Labour Uniun will be a new building, which gives +1 happy)
Venstre + De Konservative. The traditional right-wing coalition. I'm not quite sure which bonus this should give...

How about some more government buildings like left wing coalition (SF + enhedslisten) and ultra right wing (Fremskridtspartiet + Dansk Folkeparti), I don't know about bonuses, but if you think it's an idea, I can put some thought into it.

Looking forward to future releases.

 

[Cimbri]

Friggin' nice mod

 

[JuuL]

Cimbri:
(Kaupanghaugan?)

PDminion:
Hi! It's always nice to see someone new here (thank you for using your first post here)...
Well, I suppose that I'd better start answering all that....
- I found a sollution: "Water Supply" (requires Urbanization, a tech from the middle of the Viking Age). If you have Caesar III, I would appreciate a screenshot of a Well... I know that a Well supplies water and that I said that I couldn't use anything that did that, but that was because I was using Sewer Systems as the improvement that allows 3rd city size. And it would be strange to be building wells in the Modern Age, but since I am now using Hospital as the building that allows 3rd city size, "Water Supply" is now the most logical thing to use as the 2nd city size-allowing building - this could also explain why they are not needed by cities near rivers. The "Water Supply" graphics will change depending on the age. At first it will be a well (anc+mid) and then a water treatment plant (ind+mod).
Confused?
- The old map was too big... right now I am playing as Sydfyn with one of my friends and we already have over 20 cities even though we only own Fyn, Langeland, Als, Ærø and a few cities, which we stole from Margrethe I of Vestsjælland. It is simply impossible to conqour the whole map - and with a smaller map the wars would start earlier and there will be more time to conqour some land with Vikings before they become obsolete.
- I am only going to make it possible to choose governments, which has actually excisted: Konservative (free Banks?), Venstre (free Modern Farms?) and Soc.Dem. (free Labour Uniuns). Some would argue that recent political incidents might be the reason to make an alternative, more modern version of Socialdemokraterne, or that there should be a DF government... however, this game now ends in 2000 AD (mostly to avoid political disagreements, especially about our foreign politics and how they would affect this game if it was to continue after the year that is mentioned above).

 

[JuuL]

BTW, if anybody want to nominate someone for the Advisors I would like to know. The Advisors will be era-specific (I hope)

 

[onedreamer]

onedreamer:
From a Latin dictionary:
"de prep. with abl. (1) in space , [down from, away from]. Transf., [coming from] an origin; [taken from] a class or stock, [made from] a material, [changed from] a previous state; of information, [from] a source. (2) in time, [following from, after; in the course of, during]. (3) [about] a subject; [on account of] a cause; [according to] a standard."
"De" simply means "about" - "About the Gallic War". But the title of Saxo's chronicle was only "Gesta Danorum"

JuuL, did you study Latin ?
A preposition like "de" has a lot of meanings depending on the occasions. In this case, it is simply a "way of saying", a language expression, something that you very rarely find on dictionaries, especially online ones. Actually I don't see any example of expression in your quote from your dictionary. For a preposition like "de" in latin there could be pages of exceptions/expressions.
So I tell you that "de", in the case of a title, is not translated "about" in english, it's simply not translated. That is because languages are different, that's why online translators suck.

 

[JuuL]

Onedreamer:
Did I study Latin? Good question... in Danmark all linguistic students has to study Latin for a year (you may know this if you're Danish, but you haven't written your location so I don't know if you are). Anyway, at the time we do this we are only 16 or 17 years old, so it is not very advanced Latin... and it's only for a year... and most of the pupils don't understand anything, though I did. (my final grade was 10, but if you're not Danish I might have to explain what that means). So in a way I have studied Latin, but not at the university or anything like that. Just enough to know that English is about 50-75% Latin... and enogh to translate the words "Gesta Danorum"... and enough to be able to read some rather strange Latin poems by Catullus.

.... that was OT. Back to the real topic: The title of Saxo's book was "Gesta Danorum" and that is why it is also going to be the title of my mod - even if you know more about Latin than I do.

 

[Rod]

This mod is quite great and a real innovative idea.

Maybe it would be cool, if the advisors (and foreign leaders) would speak Danish (together with the English translation). I just had the idea when I was overreading the beginning of the topic.

(Vielleicht sollten wir alle öfter in unserer Muttersprache schreiben ? Zusammen mit den englischen Übersetzungen bleibt es ja absolut verständlich. Auf diese Art und Weise entsteht eine Menge internationales Flair im Forum.)

Maybe we all should should write in our native languages more often ? Together with the English translations it still will be understandable. In this way we could add a lot of international flavor to the Forum.

 

[Cimbri]

Cimbri:
(Kaupanghaugan?)

Copenhagen


Advisors eh? How about some of our contemporary politicians? Søren Søndergaard!

 

[JuuL]

Rod:
Thank you... that's the first time anything I have made has been described as "innovative".
I like your idea about the advisors and foreign leaders. Maybe I should start with that and translate the rest later...
Du har ret, vi burde tale vores modersmål noget mere (You are right, we should speak our native languages more often).

Cimbri:
Why do you write "København" like that?
Even though Søren Søndergaard and his "compañeros" in Enhedslisten are some really great people (not that I know them personally, but anybody who whould dare to insult Bendt Bendtsen on national TV is a friend of mine), none of them are important enough to be an Advisor. You must remember that the Advisor would have to be the most important person in his/her category.
If anybody has forgotten, the categories are the following: Domestic, Trade, Military, Culture, Foreign, Science. And the 4 ages are: Viking Age (->1050AD), Middle Ages (1050-1800ish), Industrial Age (1800ish-1945), Modern Age (1945-2000).

 

[DoubleT]

Domestic = Absalon or N. F. S. Grundtvig
Trade = AP Møller (owner of Mærsk) or Ole Kirk Christiansen (Lego)
Military = Harald Blåtand, Niels Ebbesen or Peter von Scholten
Culture = HC Andersen, Søren Kierkegaard, Karen Blixen or Victor Borge
Foreign = Christian the 4th or Vitus Bering
Science = Niels Bohr, Ole Rømer, Tycho Brahe or Hans Christian Ørsted

This is just some names I could come up with, hoped it helped a little...

 

[JuuL]

DoubleT:
Absalon is a good idea... but I am not sure about the others. But Vitus Bering would be good as a wonder that gives +1 (or +2) naval movement.
Here is my ideas: ("X" means that I don't have an idea)
ADVISOR: Viking Age, Middle A., Ind. A., Mod. A.
DOMESTIC: X, Absalon, Stauning, Lykketoft
TRADE: X, Peter Anker, A.P. Møller, Ole Kirk Christiansen
CULTURAL: X, Holberg, H. C. Andersen, Finn Søeborg
MILITARY: Holger Danske, Tordenskjold, X, X
FOREIGN: X, X, Scavenius, Uffe Elleman
SCIENCE: X, Tycho Brahe, Niels Bohr, X

 

[Plotinus]

So I tell you that "de", in the case of a title, is not translated "about" in english, it's simply not translated.

It is normally translated "on". So Aristotle's treatise "Peri Psuches" (literally, "about the soul"), translated into Latin for the benefit of the medieval West, became "De Anima", and is known in English as "On the Soul". Just "The Soul" would sound a bit odd. That, at any rate, is the traditional way of translating it; it may be that some modern editors prefer to drop "on" in titles like this.

 

[JuuL]

Thanks, Plotinus.
Well, I think that this discussion has lasted for quite a long time now and I think that we should just put an end to it here.
BTW, I know that Finn Søeborg is not that important but I could only think of two others: Ole Michelsen from Bogart and Søren Ryge (he is so cool!). Any other suggestions?

 

[BNJ]

Some suggetions

Domestic : Harald Blåtand , Absalon , Stauning , X
Trade : Thorfinn karlsevne , Niels Brock , A.P. Møller , Lars Larsen
Cultural : X , Holberg , H.C. Andersen , Leif Davidsen
Military : Svend Tveskæg , Tordenskjold , Olaf Rye , B.S. Christiansen
Foreign : Knud 1. den store , Margrete 1. , Peter von Scholten , J.O. Kragh
Science : X , Tycho Brahe , Niels Bohr , Jens Christian Skou

 

[JuuL]

BNJ:
Welcome! I like your suggestions, but I don't think that the same person should be both Advisor and Leader (like Harald Blåtand, who is already the Leader of Sydøstjylland) - and it is impossible to get pictures of some persons. The new list of Advisors is:
Domestic: X, Absalon, Stauning, Lykketoft
Trade: X, Peter Anker, A.P. Møller, Lars Larsen
Cultural: X, Holberg, H. C. Andersen, Finn Søeborg
Military: Holger Danske, Tordenskjold, Olaf Rye, B. S. Christiansen
Foreign: X, X, Scavenius, Uffe Elleman
Science: X, Tycho Brahe, Niels Bohr, Jens Christian Skou