DBear02--Jerusalem

[Lullaby]

My real reason for trades above all really was paranoy over Germany.
It's my weakness.

Just that you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not all after you .

The thing is that you should have tried to get as much money as possible out of them instead of a dead tech. Or an MPP that would protect us from them.

 

[Leha]

Just that you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not all after you .

The thing is that you should have tried to get as much money as possible out of them instead of a dead tech. Or an MPP that would protect us from them.

Well, actually I was hunting money mostly, I knew we don't need those dead techs, but I took them as add-on. AI couldn't give us more money anyway.

MPP is interesting thing. I really was tempted to sign MPP with Germany, it doesn't cost much BTW, and next player can sign it if team decides it is a good thing. But MPP is very tricky and in most my games was a bad decision.

 

[DBear]

Is Aegis Shield still with us?

 

[Leha]

I haven't seen him here for a long time.
I think it's Lullaby's turn.

 

[Lullaby]

Yep. Will play tonight.

 

[Lullaby]

With Jerusalem getting a mere 56 cpt this will be getting tough. Too many mistakes up to here.

As I see, the others are up The Corporation, while we traded away our monopoly tech earlier on.

This game will see someone starting into space long before we get our 20k.

In 1480 we learn of the Scientific Method and Germany declares War on India.

In 1485 I switch Jerusalem to Theory of Evolution. I prepare our troops to capture the two cities in the south and then

defend the north.

In 1490 I spot an indian Infantry.

All in all the overwhelming number of german troops is gaining them the upper hand quite quickly.

In 1505 we finish the research on Replacable Parts, and I stop research because the finishing of the Theory of Evolution is

only 4 turns away. I see there is rubber close to Delhi, so a war seams quite feasible. So I declare waron India and capture

San Francisco in the same year.

In 1525 we finish the Theory of Evolution and Madrid finishes Universal Suffrage. I rush a Market in Jerusalem.

Here's the save

Honestly, I can't see us winning this by 20k. Tech pace is too high, and our 20k city built several culture buildings late.

 

[madviking]

Got it, we have ~197 turns for a 20K

Like Lullaby said, its, IMO, highly unlikely we get a 20K

 

[madviking]

Also, Madrid's going to get 20K first, the only way we prevent from Madrid from 20K is pillage the city, and they have infantry compared to our Rifles...

 

[DBear]

So what think you all? Do we call this a loss, since it is highly unlikely that we can beat Madrid and a spaceship launch? Is there any interest in playing this out?

 

[Leha]

I'd hold to this if we were on the island (I recently won 20K demigod game on 80% archipelago)

But the problem isn't even Madrid. We could raze it infantry or not infantry.
Problem is germans. I'm sure sooner or later they'll declare war and poor ole England will be annihilated.

 

[Lullaby]

We could buy MPPs with Germany, but that won't help with any spaceship.

Still I'd try until we really lose.

 

[Methos]

I agee, let's continue this until the end.

 

[madviking]

0- Agg... so many Germans troops...
IBT: loads of snot-beating-out-of-eachover
1- Jerusalem market -> Hoover
2- Grar... cities riot due the fact that only renewed one luxery
3- nothin
4- yawn
IBT: Germans capture Lahore
5-

IMO, we cant win this. We need some kind of a miracle to win this... Spain had a heck of a place for a 20K city and they got some of the good high-culture wonders...

 

[Methos]

Got it.....

 

[Methos]

Pre-Turn: Moved some units around to prepare for an attack versus India. After the trade I upgrade 12 Rifleman to Infantry for 360 gold.
Germany: We get Ivory, Horses, Rubber, Furs, Spices, and 4 gold; we give Atomic Theory.
IT: We love the Queen day celebrated just about everywhere. Germany asks for a RoP. I decline.
1560 AD: We capture Calcutta. Do a little renewing on the trades.
Germany: We get World Map, 245 gpt, and 100 gold; we give Electronics.
Spain: We get Dyes, 83 gpt, and 26 gold; we give Electronics.
1570 AD IT: A Pirate ship (Privateer maybe) comes upon Houston and attacks our fortified Man-o-War. Pirate goes down and we enter our Golden Age. Another pirate attacks and we whip him too. Interesting, after the battle I checked our two enslaved ships and their both Spanish. Lol!

I’m going to stop here. I have done nothing at all this turn. I’m stopping here so the next player can adjust everything to his/her liking due to the GA.
-There is an invasion force outside of Delhi that took out a couple Infantry last turn. Some of those units are fortified but you should be able to capture Delhi this turn.
-There are also a couple workers near Hastings that are fortified. I forgot about unfortified them at the end of last round.
-The cities will need to really be looked at. Before the GA I had used policeman to get several of them to 20+ spt. We have also been in a WLTQD for a couple turns so they may be needed.
-I do not believe we should give Germany a RoP. Doing that would just allow them to take India when it’s land we need, not them.

Here's the save.

 

[DBear]

Got it, will play tomorrow.

 

[Lullaby]

Germany: We get World Map, 245 gpt, and 100 gold; we give Electronics.
Spain: We get Dyes, 83 gpt, and 26 gold; we give Electronics.

Du you really want them to build a spaceship?

This is important: We absolutely have to slow down tech pace as much as possible.

Next thing to do would be getting germany into a war with Spain.

 

[DBear]

DBear02--Jerusalem:

0) 1575: Why haven't we taken Atlanta? that city should be a pushover. Pay Germany 45gpt for coal. We have much more to spare. Move menowar to blockade Atlanta. Artys and cannon shell Delhi, redlining defenders. Dover switched to court. Kill Delhi conscripts, but infantry hold.

1) 1580: Germany and India make peace. Possible stab? So far they all peacefully go home. Canterbury bank-->cav. Coventry infantry-->infantry. Atlanta down to a redlined conscript. Delhi falls. Rush lib in San Fran.

2) 1585: Newcastle police-->bank. San Fran lib-->worker. Barbaria
starts arty. Oxford infantry==>exchange. Atlanta taken, starts lib.

3) 1590: York arty-->exchange. San Fran worker-->infantry. Snottingham infantry-->factory. Hastings infantry==>bank.

4) 1595: Canterbury cav-->exchange. Coventry infantry-->bank. Rush rax in Delhi so we can repair units. Peaceniks out in Houston. We take Madras. Bombay cav-->arty.

5) 1600: Learn steel, start combustion. Delhi rax-->market. Bangalore taken. Rush lib in Calcutta.

6) 1605: Calcutta starts factory. Barbaria starts worker. Dover court-->market. Pollution hits Jerusalem.

7) 1610: Germany wants RoP. We talk them into giving us espionage, oil + 106 for steel. I know that speeds up the tech pace, but it does give us oil. This also allows Jerusalem to start MI5 after finishing Hoover. Bombay arty==>settler. Hastings bank-->exchange. Barbaria
worker-->manowar.

8) 1615: Bombay settler-->exchange. Coventry bank-->cav. Oxford exchange-->cav. Liverpool police-->factory. Menowar, which had been heading around the north coast, sink a privateer. Karachi down to one redlined infantry, but not enough to finish.

9) 1620: Spain wants to trade territory maps for gold. I try to talk them into allying vs. India, but somehow our rep must've got trashed.
York exchange-->worker. Newcastle bank-->exchange. Barbaria switched to infantry. Manowar sinks Indian galleon. Karachi taken. India has one city left, deep in Spanish territory, so I make peace. They have no money. Birmingham founded, starts lib. Delhi switches to lib.

10) 1625: Pick up combust, decide to slow the tech pace by going for sanitation. Spain already has it, but we don't want to trade them combust. We have 4-turn research for sanitation.

To do list: upgrade cannon in Bombay. Build more exchanges so that Jerusalem can build Wall Street. Clean up pollution near Jerusalem when the railroads finish. Jerusalem has 8327 culture, producing 68/turn. We can win by 1990, if the game lasts that long...

 

[Leha]

Me again
Got it, will try to play tomorrow.

 

[Leha]

Preturn

We don't have oil? Wow...
OK

1630 AD (1)

Upgrade two cannons
Sign RoP with Germany for 55 gold.
They walk freely in our territory anyway.

IT

Rennegotiate insence/wine deal with Isabella (they pay 3gpt)

1635 AD (2)

Jerusalem finishes IA -->bank

1640 AD (3)

Switch Jerusalem to Wall street (3 turns)
Sanitation in 1 turn -->sci 50%


1645 AD (4)

We have sanitation, start mass production at 100% sci (4 turns)
Excuse me for dumb question, I'm completely puzzled.
How did Jerusalem get to size 21 before Sanitation?

IT

We lose supply of many good things

1650 AD (5)

I check happiness, still OK.
I won't sell Sanitation to Bismark

1655 AD (6)

Jerusalem finishes WS, starts bank.
By Ivory from Bismark for 35 gpt, our productive cities have some provlem with happiness.

IT

We lose supply of Dyes

1660 AD (7)

Spain has Combustion
Buy furs from Bismark for 644 gold.

1665 AD (8)

Learn MP, start MT
Bismark has sanitation and combustion, shudda sold him sanitation for luxes

1670 AD (9)

IT

Spanish pirate ship attacks our M-O-W creating another M-O-W
Our analysts say that GA has ended

1675 AD (10)

SAVE