dd2 - "The resourceless Commander"

[tao]

Originally posted by Sir Bugsy
Donating cash to the AI and then getting it back from them was brilliant. How did you know how much they would pay for contact?

The idea came from this thread by Bamspeedy on AI attitude. (Note that now the AIs' attitude has dropped, because we are monarchy and they still despotism.) I could determine the value Japan put on the contact by checking how much the cash price for construction dropped, if I added the contact to my offer. Since I did not have this way of checking w the other AIs, I played it save and only donated 50g.

So the immediate plan is for a SOD of 10 archers/spears (probably 7/3 mix) to take out the Yanks? Then prep for the Aztecs.

Not immediate, but soon. I would prefer to have 10+5 instead of 7+3.

Consideration: if possible, only capture cities size 2 and above or after culture expansion to avoid auto-raze.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

tao, that is a very simple and effective method. I will add that to my bag of tricks... The Bamspeedy/tao technique.

Another good point about the auto-raze. There is nothing worse than capturing a city and having it auto-raze... a perfectly good waste of a settler.

 

[gormdragan]

Hmm...so 2 is the magic number. I didn't know that. Thanks tao.

 

[tao]

Originally posted by gormdragan
Hmm...so 2 is the magic number.

Yes, because capturing decreases pop by one. As I said, or culture expansion. We can conquer e.g. Washington w size 1.

 

[gormdragan]

Thanks tao, i'll add that to my bag of tricks.

 

[gormdragan]

Preturn:
Nothing to trade, you cleaned the AIs out.

490:
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Bengal makes temple, starts worker
Kolhapur makes arch, starts arch

Trade WM yields 2 workers(1 American, 1 Chinese) for 17gp.

470:

Trade WM yields 3gp.

450:

Trade WM yields 2gp.

430:
Delhi makes settler, starts spear.
Trade WM yields 3gp.

410:
Madras makes settler, starts arch
Trade WM yields 0gp. Approaching toilet paper value.

IBT: Iroq gathering around Jaipur...I expect war.

390:
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Kolhapur makes arch, starts arch


370:
Delhi makes spear, starts settler
Calcutta makes rax, starts archer
Karachi makes worker, starts worker
Chittagoong is founded (iron denial)

Shuffle defence towards Jaipur.

IBT:
reg spear dies to reg arch
vet arch kills reg arch
reg war dies to reg arch

350:
vet arch kills reg arch
rush spear at jaipur...I'm worried I can't hold it.
Pujub is founded
Delhi changes from settler to war.(war, then spear, then settler for growth, build timing)

Pull Tokugawa into the dogpile for 244gp.
I hope Iroq dun get Monty. I think I'll pull Monty in too.
Tokugawa has CoL.

IBT:
vet arch dies to reg war
Jaipur was captured.
Barbarian horseman moving towards Chittagong.

Aztec amassing troops in American border...I'm worried. Rush garrison for Pujab.

330:
Bombay makes GL, starts archer
Bengal makes worker starts worker
Vet arch kills vet war, we recapture Jaipur.
Lincoln has CoL (we will get it next turn)
WM worthless.

310:
CoL is ours.
Delhi makes war, starts spear.
Madras makes arch, starts settler.
Hyderabad makes rax, starts arch
Pujab makes war, starts spear
Dacca was founded, starts spear (Denied Aztec Iron)
Cancel 2 workers near Calcutta, hide in Calcutta, horseman will capture them.

Summary:
Jaipur was recaptured, garrisoned with 1 vet spear, 1 vet arch, 2 war
War on auto north of Chittagong,moving back to Chittagong for garrison defence
1 archer in Karachi, meant to go to Calcutta to add defence (barbarian appear there)

Sorry about Jaipur...We had only 1 spear in defence, and I couldn't react fast enough.

Potential trade, we can get WM+60gp for CoL.

Due to war with iroq, I can't improve our SOD against American. (now we have 2 arch, 1 war)

The Save

 

[Gengis Khan]

Looks like that puts it on me.

got it & will play tomarow.

 

[tao]

Let me give you some thoughts on the game:

Growing from size 7 to 8 empties the granary and thus needs 40 excess food; afterwards 20 excess food for each growth. Thus it is much much much better to produce settlers/workers when growing to size 7 (or 6) !!! You may want to hurry the Madras settler next turn. Madras (and soon Bengal) will be 4 turn settler or 2 turn worker factories. We should use these two cities for breeding and let our other cities grow building infrastructure and units. Pumping out a new worker each turn will give us the workforce to clear the jungle and develop our production potential.

The first ring (Bombay, Karachi, Kolhapur) should get priority in worker assignment, but only for tiles which will be actually worked!

In addition to irrigated floodplains, Bengal needs 2 mined hills for shields. Immediately re-assign the citizen to work the irrigated floodplain; the shield from the hill is wasted to corruption!

The lumber operation east of Karachi is a big waste. The 10 shields next turn are thrown away. gormdragan: why didn't you cut jungle instead of forrest?

It might be a good idea(?) to put Bombay on suicide galley production. If we can get a contact monopoly w the missing civs, it would be a great asset

Good luck Gengis Khan.

PS: Don't overdo mining; do some irrigation to increase growth. We may switch back to mines once we reached pop 12 for all cities.

 

[gormdragan]

The settler production was skipped because of unit production swap. I was under war pressure. Hence the pop was allowed to grow beyond 7.

Sorry about the rest, my bad.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Gengis(Playing now)
Eric(On deck)
Bugsy
tao
gorm (Just played)

 

[Gengis Khan]

He he. Peer pressures a pain. I'll play tonight.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

So what's the story on the diplomatic front.

War with Hiawatha. MA with Monty against Hiawatha? Did we pull the Japanese in against him too?

If we didn't we should.

 

[tao]

Originally posted by Sir Bugsy
War with Hiawatha. MA with Monty against Hiawatha? Did we pull the Japanese in against him too?

If we didn't we should.

We are at war w Hia. We have 18 turns left in our MA w Japan.

I would not make a MA w Monty, because we might want to hit him sooner. If he declares war on Hia, fighting him will require careful organization to kill all his Jaguars in our territory the same turn. OTOH this would be much easier than killig them fortified in the cities...

 

[Gengis Khan]

Sorry bout the delay guys. I've been rediculously busy with work & school over this weekend.

I'll play & post in the AM though.

 

[Gengis Khan]

Sorry guys, this would have been posted about 8 hours ago but the down time really set me back.

Pre turn- switch Karachi to a catapult to gain something out of the forest being cut next turn. We currently have 13 workers(& 6 slaves), 14 warriors, 12 archers, & 5 spears. We need more workers & some cats yesterday.

IT- Barb horseman pillages.
Bangalore: barracks>archer
Calcutta: archer>archer
Lahore: archer>spear
Kolhapur: archer>catapolt

1(290)- Kill barb horse with archer outside of Calcutta. Move troops into position, also hurry some production of cats & spears to free up archer from MP duty.

IT- Warrior forted on mtn near Oil Springs is killed by archer.
Delhi: spear>worker
Bombay: archer>gally
Madras: settler>settler
Karachi: cat>cat
Bengal: worker>worker
Chittagong: spear>archer

2- Think about trading monarchy for currency & 155g to Japan. While we REALLY could use markets, this would speed up the tech pace & I think we need to keep it AS SLOW AS POSSIBLE. The ancient & middle ages are our friends, after that we’re screwed.

IT- Mao founds city near our blockade pushing boarder across the 1 tile.
Learn currency!
Delhi: worker>worker
Jaipur: cat>temple
Japs complete Great Wall.

3- Bump research back to 0% saving us 5gpt.
Vet archer kills archer, -1hp.
Elite warrior kills archer, -2hp.
Vet warrior kills archer, -2hp but promoted.

IT- Both wounded warriors killed, but red or yellow archers.
Mao asks us to leave his territory.
Bombay: gally>gally
Lahore: archer>spear

4- Elite archer kills archer outside Allegheny, but is redlined.
Vet archer kills archer outside Oil Springs, -1hp.
Vet Archer kills spear guarding Allegheny, -1hp.
Vet archer is killed by spear guarding All, but redlines it.
Vet spear kills redlined spear.
Allegheny is auto-razed. I plan on taking Tonawanda & Oil Springs, & maybe razing a city or two then holding out to sue for peace(after our alliance is up).

IT- Delhi: worker>worker

5-

IT- Delhi: worker>market
Bombay: gally>gally
Madras: settler>settler
Kolhapur: cat>spear
6- Reg archer killed by spear guarding Oil Springs.
Found Indus, which starts on warrior.

IT- Archer outside Oil Springs is killed by archer, but redlines him.
We learn Philosophy, and enter the Middle Ages.[dance]

7- Finally a warrior arrives to blockade off China without any settlers escaping.

IT- Iroquois & Japan sign peace treaty.
Lahore: spear>aqueduct

8- Archer outside Tonawanda is killed by archer.
Vet archer kills spear guarding Ton, -2hp but promotes.
Vet archer kills spear guarding Ton, -2hp.
Tonawanda is auto-razed. DAMN!! They had to pop rush a spear last turn, I really wanted this one.
Change Bombay to a settler & rush for 40g to speed up settling the spot.
Decide to take pity on Hwai, in exchange for not wiping out the rest of their pathetic civ I take 12g, WM, & Oil Springs.
Start moving troops towards Abe.

IT- Bombay: settler>aqueduct
Calcutta: archer>market
Suicide gally lost.

9- Rush a couple improvements, workers working, troops moving.

IT- Kolhapur: spear>aqueduct
Jaipur: temple>spear
Bengal: worker>worker
English complete Great Lighthouse.

10- Found Genges, start on temple.
Not much else.

*End o’ turn report*
Military Report: 1 settleron the way to found a city where Tonawanda was(where northern-most archer is forted & spear is headed) & 18 workers. 11 warriors, 12 archers, 9 spears, 3 cats, & 1 gally.
SoD on Abe’s border is now up to 4 archers, a warrior & 2 cats. Many more troops on the way.
Bengal can be used as a 3 turn worker factory if you rush for 32 gold when the worker has 2 turns left, which is the same turn it grows everytime.

Good luck guys!!


SAVE!

 

[tao]

Some comments:

We want our cities to grow. We are sort of over-mined currently. Especially Delhi. Preferrably all our cities are size 12 soon. Especially the first ring. With all the industrious workers we have, it is no problem to change some irrigation back to mines once we are size 12.

Use workers to improve Delhi and first ring with priority.

Build access road towards Washington.

Once we start our Golden Age by attacking with elephants, we do not want to be stuck at size 6 without aqueduct. Build them in time.

I prefer to clear jungle in crews of 4 workers to get it done faster one tile at a time.

Catapults are nice, but a slow dead end for us because we can't upgrade. Build some, but not too many.

Properly irrigated and mined, Bengal and Madras are 2 turn worker factories without wasting money on rushing. They can also build settlers. Don't build workers/settlers elsewhere (growth!) unless there are only jungle tiles to work.

I would change the taxman to scientist and do one person research on engineering.

eric2075 (next)
Sir Bugsy (get ready)
tao (looking forward to long weekend in Germany playing gotm24 predator)
gormdragan
Gengis Khan

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Gengis nice set of turns. 3 Iros cites either razed or in our hands will set that *^%#@% Hiawatha back a bit. I'm not looking forward to meeting his mounted warriors or Togu's Samuris for that matter, oh and we have Chinese Riders to face too! You know, a diplomatic victory might be a good way to go.

gorm - Congrats on making the Diety Hall of Fame!

Everybody best of luck on gotm24. I'm figuring my time playing will be short. I'm playing open for the first time

 

[gormdragan]

Thx Sir Bugsy. I was lucky to make the last slot.

 

[Gengis Khan]

Very nice!!

 

[tao]

Originally posted by Sir Bugsy
I'm not looking forward to meeting his mounted warriors or Togu's Samuris for that matter, oh and we have Chinese Riders to face too! You know, a diplomatic victory might be a good way to go.

It always helps to read the rules.

Conquest, Culture, Domination, & Space Ship on

We can't build ss, because we don't have the resources. We did not invest in culture.

Weakening the Iroquois now did not help us much, because they are weak anyhow and we want to use them as samurai fodder vs. Japan.

We should not have major problems wiping out the Americans and Aztecs. The Chinese are no match, because we have larger production base. Japan is the main issue on our continent. And the other continents ...... we have to see and hope for the best.