Dealing with war weariness and the Statue of Zues

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Ok, I am doing real well on my first emperor game using Daruis I. Huge map/Marathon speed. A quick recap before my question, soory no screenshots as the computer is at home

1) I am the tech leader by far now, mostly because of the size on my empire (25% population/20 % land). Mansa is the closest, about 3-4 techs behind.
2) Ghengis is the major military threat although he is at war with Musa. He has close to 20% pop/20% land also. He is teching rifling now compared with my tanks, so tehre is a big difference.
3) Noone else is of consequence on my continent except for Frederick who is tech behind and friendly towards me.
4) Other continent has Saladin/Washington/Shaka/Julius who all seam very happy ripping each others throats out.

So here is where I am, I can obviously tech into space. But I am looking at a domination if, or at least to eliminate my last real challenge Ghengis. The thing is he has the great Wall, the statue os Zues, and the AP all curtosy of his defeat of the Korean. He has alot of land to get through even with my tanks and bombers. He is number 2 on the power graph, I am number 1.

How does war weariness with the SOZ work? I have the pyramids so I can switch into police state when I want, I have jails in most cities, and I can easily tech fascism and build Mt. Rushmore. All that gives me 100% WW reduction, but does that apply to the SOZ? Or am I going to have to run the culture slider way up during what will likely be a long war.
 
Rushmore/Police State/Jails will make you immune to SoZ. I find that combo is the only way to wage modern era wars in BtS. Consider complementing your Tanks/Bombers stacks with some Marines in Transports to take out (raze?) farther coastal cities. You should have a walk in the park with the military tech difference. Don't worry too much about losses, just produce more units all over the place and storm Genghis, then Mansa, then whoever you need to get more land. Consider taking vassals and going for Conquest if you want.
 
SO I can get myself immune to SOZ, cool. I here you on the marines, that was part of my plan, mostly to take out a few stragler AIs first while I finish the WW stuff. Ghengis has few costal cities.
 
I like using Marines & Carriers. In the games in which I neglected Carriers I ended up with lots of Marines losses, and although I still won through sheer numbers I think it would have been much easier to have more fighters. Then again I'm a Carriers fan. :D

I've also discovered Nukes lately, but the main problem with those is that the AI tend to capitulate waaay later (if ever) than if you're fighting a conventional war, so it's a so-so proposition.
 
Don't forget that Nationalism will also help (+2 :) from barracks, not to mention drafting) as will Free Religion provided you have more than one faith to spread around. Also check to make sure you own or are trading for as many happy resources as possible. If the targeted civ has any of these which you lack, target those cities early on.

Figure out which AI owns the Statue of Zeus and where it is (a Spy may be needed) and try to conquer that city ASAP. Capturing it won't eliminate the extra WW it has caused, but it will prevent further double WW.
 
^So SoZ affects the WW Points, and not the Unhappiness from those WW Points? makes sense as that way it can all be from one civ.

And it does make it nice for it to effectively be obsolete at Fascism
 
I think the Soz only effects the WW points, and you will always accumulate these. The number of WW points you have effects the amount of unhappiness you get. However with police state+rushmore+jail you get -100% unhappiness (no unhapiness). SoZ will continue to effect you by building up WW points but you will only feel the effect of it if you come out of police state for some reason.
 
Thanks for all the help. The SOZ was really a non-issue since my tanks ran through the Mongol empire. I now have control of the SOZ, great wall, and AP plus Ghengis vassaled. Looking to conquer the rest of the world so my first Emperor game will be a good domination win.
 
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