Defence Term 2: In defence against Barbarians.

[peter grimes]

It appears that he came down the coast. I think they mentioned this obliquely not in the transcript but in a PM to Fe. He has posted all of these, but there seem to be a couple different threads you'd have to check.

I've read all the transcripts... I don't think they mentioned anything about the relative location of thier homeland. They still don't know where our is, they can only see a lonely brave Greek warrior.

 

[Meleager]

maybe we should tell them we live somewhere else so they go that way (into a barbarian camp preferably )

then just tell them they misunderstood the directions

if their on the same continent then you are right, they probobly came from the north. I assume that finding them is a priority of our defence ministry

and our forum has what... 5 or 6 diplomacy threads now

 

[classical_hero]

They would have come from the North West so we need to explore in that direction. Hopefully we can find where they are. Once we have done that we should try and get a Right of passage treaty with them, either officially or unofficially (that means that we can roam their lands but we will not be albe to get the terrain bonus that an offical on can get). We need to know where they ar located so it is easy for us to know any likely attacks.

 

[fe3333au]

the best defence is a good offence.... hence i suggest this

OMG Not only an anti-RIK could he be a KISSer ???

Unofficial chat between me and Nikodeemus (the only KISSer with AIM)

fe3333au: Could you outline what is on the table plesae
Nikodeemus: i think the one they're talking now is alpha+IW (we have 3 turns left of it) for warrior code, CB and 20 gold
fe3333au: well I've certainly got a good team
fe3333au: So has your warrior walked far?
Nikodeemus: well.. you weren't exactly on our doorsteps
Nikodeemus: not awfully far but further than i've usually seen on small maps

 

[Chamnix]

Now that we know we share a continent with the Celts, what type of military should we build for the Ancient Age? We can expect them to use primarily Gallic Swords (3/2/2 - 40 shields) possibly defended by a handful of cheap spearmen (1/2/1 - 20 shields). Our choices:

Warriors - 1/1/1 - 10 shields, upgrade to Swords for 60g
Swords - 3/2/1 - 30 shields
Archers - 2/1(1)/1 - 20 shields
Chariots - 1/1/2 - 20 shields, upgrade to Horses for 30g
Horsemen - 2/1/2 - 30 shields
Hoplites - 1/3/1 - 20 shields

Chariots and Horsemen require horses - we will know soon if they are options. For mid to long term planning, what percentage of each unit should our military consist of?

 

[classical_hero]

When we first are going for the settler factory, It is best at first that we are doing warrior settler for the time being, but soon we need to get some high shield cities so they can produce a barrack and veteran units, rather than the regulars we are doing right now. Soon we will be going from a warrior settler factory to a hoplite settler factory because they protect us much better and only cost 10 more shield to produce than a warrior. I do not think we wil need archers because it would be better for us to build catapults if we need some bombardment. First we need to see where the horses are situated because we can think of fast units. But we need them for the speed. Speed will be the key to this game. Hopefully we can get to the Middle ages firs and get quickly to Chivalry for knights. That is the unit that I want to be our main offensive weapon. So if we are to be building hosres then we should have some cash reserve for upgrading them.

 

[fe3333au]

I'd prefer Swords majority
Hoplites to defend
Horses to skirmish and scout out the enemy without being viewed

 

[peter grimes]

I'm going to admit up front that I know very little about these military matters, and I hope to learn loads from you guys.

Here's how I would play it:
Barracks in TBH after first settler founds next city
Barracks does Hoplites all around.
Then Barracks starts on swordsmen.
After two or three sword, a horse/hoplite/sword rotation,

As for percents, I'd guess (based on nothing) 60 sword 30 hop 10 hors.

I'd also start to stake out a barrier between us and Kiss.

 

[Meleager]

OMG Not only an anti-RIK could he be a KISSer ???

Unofficial chat between me and Nikodeemus (the only KISSer with AIM)

Go Kiss!!

Not unless I was chatting in the middle of the night...

That being said I think we should let their warrior parade all over our territory and take any city it wants.....

 

[Meleager]

I'm going to admit up front that I know very little about these military matters, and I hope to learn loads from you guys.

Here's how I would play it:
Barracks in TBH after first settler founds next city
Barracks does Hoplites all around.
Then Barracks starts on swordsmen.
After two or three sword, a horse/hoplite/sword rotation,

As for percents, I'd guess (based on nothing) 60 sword 30 hop 10 hors.

I'd also start to stake out a barrier between us and Kiss.

You would be building hoplites forever due to the rate of expansion of our cities...

probably a hoplite / warrior (sword) cycle is best

 

[classical_hero]

Here is link to a wonderful picture by our President. [post]3063273[/post]

 

[fe3333au]

I agree with getting some military factories and have them up in the northland and preferably another in the west to protect our ivory

 

[peter grimes]

@Ligurian Reapers: Pop that Hut before KISS does! and if it be barbarians there, let KISS handle them!

 

[fe3333au]

What does defence think we should do with KISS warrior?

Should Foreign Dept send letter requesting them to move ???

 

[General_W]

Classical Hero is ordering that no huts be poped next turn (which I agree with).

Only thing I have a question about is this part:

The southern warrior can go in a easterly direction.

(referring to Ares Warrior-Butes)
Initially we had talked about heading back to black hole after getting on the Hill - incase the Barb Camp to the west of Black Hole sends over more warriors.

Are we no longer worried about that?
Note also - we will have a settler in 5 turns headed that way - it may be nice to have an escort for it... just in case!

Thoughts?

 

[General_W]

Ok - no comments. I will, of course, follow the Defense minister's orders.

 

[General_W]

@Ligurian Reapers: Pop that Hut before KISS does! and if it be barbarians there, let KISS handle them!

Now that we will be acquiring pottery... do we want to turn the Ligurian Reapers around and pop that hut on the Ivory Coast?

PROs: May get a great 2nd tier tech
May reveal the current location of the KISS warrior

CONs: Slows down our exploration into KISS territory
Could pop problematic barbs.

Current defense orders are to proceed north.
Discussion?

 

[peter grimes]

my thoughts: If we don't pop it, I think Kiss will, and soon.

 

[General_W]

My position is probably obvious because I keep bringing this up… but I would like to keep poping huts.
We've had nothing but barbs so far… we're due for something good!

Somebody that believes in that sort of thing should sacrifice a goat or something to the RNG.

 

[M4 Sherman]

Somebody that believes in that sort of thing should sacrifice a goat or something to the RNG.

I will start a game and sacrifice a worker .

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