Deity game

[CellKu]

Welcome Samsa! Nice that you join this thread.

Here is my Round 8:

Spoiler :

This round saw a rushed preparation for war and a storm into Sal's land:

As you can see, I conquered four big cities so far. The last one (Damascus) was a bit exciting, because, Sal had researched steel three turns before and must have traded that around, because within two turns he made the jump to rifling, even though he had been two techs away from it.

This is what is left of Sal's land:

Techs: In the beginning I traded Rifling+5 to Mansa for Astro and then Astro for Chemistry to Sal (just before DOWing him). Econ went to JC for 1170 gold, so I could upgrade my units - unfortunately I couldn't produce a GM. However, as you see, Isa is still behind. So I hope she won't be too quick in researching towards rifling - but the experience with Sal told me to not rule it out.

The tech situation:

GP's: I got a GA and a GE which I didn't use yet - perhaps I use the GA for increasing culture in one of my newly conquered cities. Due to my fighting I got two GG's. The first, I settled in Sparta for getting better experienced units in my GT-city. The second appeared a turn ago and I moved him down to Hurrian which I intend to make a production city.

Other Civs: Sal and Isa made peace. JC and Mansa have "enough on their hands".
Bull demanded Lib and since I didn't wabnt any hassle, I gave in. Lateron I traded him dye for 15 gold or so. Rearranged some other trades as well, since my trades with Sal stopped (naturally ).

Plans: I would like to finish Sal first - in that situation he will probably vassal to someone - and probably not to me. So it might be better to finish him completely. Then I would like to switch to bureau and free market to get back on track with research. I would also like to build another 2-3 universities to finally be able to build Oxford i Athens. And besides all that I have to prepare for a war against Isa.


However, since I am undecided between continuing with a war against Isa or first wait a few turns and bring my economy back on track, I would appreciate any advice you would like to give.

 

[CellKu]

hugh, should I have waited for announcing the new turnset? And if so, ignore it

No, that is completely fine! If someone can't play his round, he usually catches up later. Some prefer to play two or more turnsets together.

 

[Samsa]

So I'm happy not to do a huge mistake on my first post

Btw I'm lurking this post for quite a while now, and as I said I'm really impressed. My Civ4 skills are limited to Emporer

I wish you all best luck in defeating that deity bastards


And one thing, it is Samsa

 

[Rusten]

Welcome to Civ Fanatics Samsa! Hope you enjoy your stay

I don't know how comfortable you are on emperor, but if you're hoping to move up to immortal some time or enjoy lurking this type of thread have a look at the new immortal university that started up. It's not as detailed though, and with longer sets, but you might enjoy it anyway. As an example here's the post of my first round in the thread -> http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6675175&postcount=71

Here's the link to the thread if you're interested:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=269794

 

[Samsa]

Very nice Rusten thank you! I trie Immortal at my own currently so this would be surely GREAT help for my!

 

[CellKu]

Sorry, Samsa! Didn't mean to offend you. Was probably to tired after my sweatening war with Sal today...
(corrected my previous post)

 

[Samsa]

Don't be so serious

It doesn't reallt matter, as a german writer said (Goethe!) "what's is in a name?" (the german expression sounds much better :/)

 

[swordmaster29]

Don't be so serious

It doesn't reallt matter, as a german writer said (Goethe!) "what's is in a name?" (the german expression sounds much better :/)

"Was ist ein Name"? Is that right? Or does it translate more poetically?

 

[Samsa]

"Was ist ein Name"? Is that right? Or does it translate more poetically?

I searched for this phrase in the internet, and all I found was "What is in a name" And it seems to be right. In german (Goethe) expressed it really more poetically. If i translate the words into english it would be "names are sound and smoke" it sounds weird

 

[swordmaster29]

I searched for this phrase in the internet, and all I found was "What is in a name" And it seems to be right. In german (Goethe) expressed it really more poetically. If i translate the words into english it would be "names are sound and smoke" it sounds weird

Oh, from Faust. Duh, sorry.

 

[Samsa]

Snaaty's turnset 9 actually played in the german thread by Hubabl and Snaaty himself. I'm just the one who translates and writes it down for you.

Spoiler :

We (erm, it is a they :/) captured Basra and killed some Units around for the GG Points, after this we sign a Peace treatment.

(this and all other pictures are uploaded in the german forum, just for the information)

Isabella tried to stop the trade with Manse via apo, but it failed.

Ensuing we attacked Isabella (I read this DoW sometimes here but still can't imaging what it means, sry for that) only the close borders to Saladin are annoying, because we can't directly go through his land to Isa.

Cordoba got captured, because she send some units out there to defend Sevilla. Doesn't really matter
Ah and we got one GG.

Snaaty forced himself in, he is just to impatient (again, I need to say the turnsets in the german thread are 10 turns, unlike the 20 as here.)

After clicking through some city screens, we are able to see what happens if we are to inattentive

Some troops have hidden in the north, instantly we sent them to the front (sorry guys, I need some clarification because my English sucks. I am not sure if it is right if I say "have hidden" please pm me (it has nothing to do with this thread so a pm is ok (whaaa a bracket inside a bracket, what a freak!))

We traded paper for somthing gold just to improve our relationship.
Decided to research railroads, because there is a "supplie problem". They are just coming too late
Apostolic election, we voted for us... clearly

The decisive battle for Madrid, we choose to bombard one turn because there are not enough units to attack. 20 Units inside Madrid.

The north troop reaches Toledo, and we are capturing Toledo

We are burning, because of money troubles the last trebuches at Madrid. But one is withdrawing, stupid thing! But we are capturing Madrid without any sacrifice (except trebs of course )
Espionage changed to JC.

We are standing in front of Barcelona and Sevilla.
Both are captured the last Trebuchet got burned #
Here our new land:

The unhappinas is solved, more or less and economy is recovering.

Our army: 15 cannons / 50 Riflemans
The GE still waits in our capital and the GG in Allemani

I'm not sure if I should post the thoughts for the next turn, so I put it in another spoiler

Spoiler :

Where to get constitution maybe Isa give it us at the capitulation?
should we research democracz (after railroads) because of emanzipation?
Gilgamesh really got problems, we should give him a present or he gets crushed!

 

[swordmaster29]

(I read this DoW sometimes here but still can't imaging what it means, sry for that)

DoW is, unless I'm mistaken, a Declaration of War. The only issue I have here is that taking it out of an acronym, I most often see the statement "I declaration of warred on X". Posted here instead of a PM because I spent months trying to figure it out, and if that helps me get it cleared up and clues in someone else, I think it's worth it.

 

[Rusten]

DoW is, unless I'm mistaken, a Declaration of War.

That's correct.

as to your edit; I DoW would mean -> I Declare open War, still the same initials.

 

[Samsa]

ok thanks guys

 

[schwartz]

@All:
Want to thank you guys for doing this. I'm nowhere near good enough to play deity (made some feeble attempts at emperor recently.. and now one at immortal in the immortals university..) but looking around these saves and reading your thoughts has taught me a bunch

 

[Rusten]

Round 9, 1300 (1330) -> 1500 AD

Spoiler :

1400 AD: Saladin asks me to join in on a war vs Mansa Musa. That was such a pleasant surprise. Maybe he can keep him busy some extra turns while I get my economy back together. Naturally I declined his proposal, but there were more good news -> he had bribed JC with him as well. It wasn't completely random though, I had done my best to sour their relations. Also made sure to cancel their open borders when I was in mercantilism and they in free market.

I’ve finally reached Barcelona, one of Izzy’s best cities with shrines, and take it 1400 AD:



Now I make a really dumb move. I played this stage of the game too fast. The 3 remaining cities of Izzy were all horsehockey and I didn’t want any more turns of war so I accepted her capitulation. The problem is; by doing this JC and Saladin are no longer “friendly” with me in reality and I can’t trade techs anymore -> welcome back WFYABTA. The good part was that I shaved ~15 turns off the war weariness, but simply signing peace would have been a better option as Izzy was no threat. At least I managed to bribe her into Saladin’s and JC’s favourite civics and Hinduism, but bumping their relations to friendly proved to not be doable. Oh well, learn by your silly mistakes.

1480 AD: Gilgamesh and Sitting Bull declares on JC. It was obviously the AP at work.

I’m starting to get a lot of towns, so a move from bureaucracy -> free speech (and perhaps SP) would be in order.

The tech screen is not very reassuring, but I’m still lacking infrastructure in most of the new cities, so I expect it to improve. I'm not miles behind either, it's still possible to go for the Internet for instance. The safest gambit at this stage though is probably a beeline towards Mass Media and the UN as I only have friends in the world. Will construct the Forbidden Palace in Madrid after the courthouse; it should allow a much higher science slider.

 

[Flo7]

General comment

Spoiler :

The style of this thread helped me a lot to play well (or at least better than I normally do). I stopped playing after each turnset, summarized what I did, why I did it, and what I am up to next. This way I really thought about my decissions. This and the possibility to compare my game to that of more experienced deity players was a great learning opportunity so far.
I am pretty pressed with time (In my real life) and so I took the opportunity to play from 800AD close to 1600 in one session. Unfortunately I just played on, without the thinking and analyzing I did in the previous turnsets. Accordingly my game developed weakly as you will see in the spoilers of the next rounds. My game is loosing ground compared to those of the other players.
Now while writing my report I reload the saves and see all the stupid thinks I did and opportunities I missed, that hurts...

Round 8

Spoiler :

Power graph

The peacful people of Greece have something in mind

They are just waiting for end the great mearchants mission and the cash to upgrade 10 cr2 maceman into riflemen (5 in each SoD)

But unfortunately Sala got Grens the same round. So I postponed attack plans.

Bribed Izzy into War against JC and Sala against Izzy in 1240 so all the AIs are busy since then.

Main mistakes I waited to long with the attack on Saladin. Could have gotten the GM much earlier had two golden Ages (one from the Taj Mahal) so far. So I lost about 20 turns in launching my first strike and massing troops instead

Round 9

Spoiler :

The war against Sala goes well. He lost his SoD against Izzy so my forces capture city for city with no resistance
ROund 185 or so He capitulates with one city left. And a consiberale Sod with Grens and Currassiers

JC and Izzy are still in war. Izzy moved just now a huge Sod into JCs territory. Hardly any troops left an Spanish soil. Just look at Sevilla which is one of the better defended cities.

An AI without SoD is the perfect opportunity to attack. I placed my 3 SoDs so that I can take 3 Spanish cities after the second round in that war.
One danger is that Izzy SoD returns from JC, but it is a combination of conquistadores and trebs so it will move slow and it could take damaskus at the most which is not that valuabe to me.
I further plan Spain to capture Sparta my main Unit production center, with the NE. Why?
Just take a look at Mecca, 4 settled GG (one of them founded an academy)

What will there be in Madrid? Spain probably has 6-7 settled GG (no academy possible so far and I did not spot any Warlord) since it was constantly warring against JC and Sala. So I decided to sacrifice Sparta and rebuild the NE in either Madrid or Mecca.
And so it comes...

To be continued...

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[Samsa]

I'm happy to see you catching up

 

[CellKu]

Round 9

Spoiler :

In the beginning of this round - after having taken Damascus - Sal capitulated.

Spoiler :

I usually try to continue a war until the enemy is gone for good - so I never played with a vassal before. However, this time Sal - at my first attempt, I then reloaded - became a vassal of Mansa in 1310 or 1320 and Mansa in turn DoWed me... Uff! Sal still had three cities, well defended. So, it took me by complete surprise. I would not have been able to take four cities at once to avoid Sal vassalizing to Mansa. So I choose the - hopefully - lesser evil and took Sal as vassal myself.

After being his worst enemy our relationship has recovered fast and well.

Then, I moved my units to the Spanish border, accelerated my tech speed, got Mil Science. Gave Nat and MilScience to JC for declaring war at Isa. Within one turn my power relation with Isa jumped from 0.8 to 1.1, and JC's - which briefly touched 0.5 - was up to 0.7 again. Two turns later I DoWed Isa.
Went for Seville and Baghdad, then Toledo. Got a little bit anxious when I saw a huge stack of Roman Riflemen marching towards Cordoba I feared I wouldn't be there in time to take the city myself. However, JC started to reduce the defenses with 3 trebs which were around 60% IIRC). So I had enough time to prepare my southern army and march towards Cordoba There I waited until JC had fought the first round which reduced his stack from aboutr 13-14 to 3 Riflemen and destroyed/weakened Isa's units quite a bit as well.

Here, the situation in Spain (with four cities taken already, three still in Spanish hands (Santiago is up north).

Techs: Traded Mil Science to Mansa for Constitution and to Sitting Bull for Scientific Method. Traded Astro and Edu (or something else) to Gilga for Steel. Actually, I wanted to avoid trading with Gilga, since neither SB noch Mansa liked him (so I got negative modifiers...). However, he was the only one who wanted to trade steel... And I needed steel badly (not only for the cannons, but also for teching towards railroads.

Cities: Built Oxford in Athens. Newly conquered cities that came out of their revolts were whipped considerably: usually lib, theater, odeon, sometimes also barracks during the first turn (until they were around 4-5 and started growing again). Founded Knossos in the north - however, I learned that I was too late for the northernmost spot... Mansa had just founded a city there. I had completely forgotten about that. Now, I saw that there is the only secure oil resource I could have had. I do have one down in Damascus, but with around 10% chance of revolt that is an uneasy thing.

Other civs: Bad news here. Mansa is off and away - as usual. However, SB is also quite fast and follows Mansa quickly. I might have had a chance with one quick techer. But two???? And Mansa and SB are quite happy with each other... Impossible to make them fight each other... Gilga seems to attempts fighting with Mansa, but is so weak that he will hardly have a
chance.

Plans: Try to conquer all remaining Spanish cities. Get econ back in shape and prepare for a war with JC. It would be nice if I had assembly line until then, but I am not sure if I can tech fast enough.
Strategy-wise, I would like to take Sals well defended cities as a kind of "living" wall. Perhaps JC can take a city and I can recapture it. Thus, slowly getting rid of Sal. Well, don't know whether that works. Does anybody have experience with that?

@Samsa, could we postpone the deadline for the next round a bit, perhaps Thursday or Friday? I won't make it until Wednesday.

 

[CellKu]

Does somebody know a good strategy article that also includes information about when vassals switch to another master (espeially the opponent of the previous master) during a war?