Democracy has failed India

[BassDude726]

@Luiz, what "rhetoric"?? I simply proposed the idea that it was very likely that India or China would be the next superpower, I never used rhetoric to back it up. And also, I was responding to the statement that a Taiwanish model on mainland China would have been better than Mao. That was a long time ago, and China's economy is the fastest growing in the world now anyway.

 

[stormbind]

You can't eat freedom. The poor in India don't even have enough food to eat. How can the massive corruption, overpouplation, deplorable infastructure, poverty, illiteracy, be fixed when the people keep electing people who are responsible for it?

All democracies have the same problem: Just look at the US and Bush!

People complain about corruption, but they do nothing to stop it when they get into power! It's the same for all governments, but worse if the leader keeps office for a lifetime because...

Democratic leaders always protect old age pensioners and civilians, because in 4 to 8 years they will be one themselves!

But you are right in other respects. Democracy is only as good as the people who are elected. That's why all regions have good years and bad years.

Compare British attempts. They tried introducing education, healthcare, railways, electricity, telephones... but because the population was so huge, it would take hundreds of years to make a difference

The only solution is to give national leaders the same lifestyle/savings/income as the average citizen!! That is the only way governments would actually try to help the average citizens (being that they are one themselves) ... but, sadly, the first thing anyone does when they get into power, is give themselves a pay increase!!

 

[luiz]

@Luiz, what "rhetoric"?? I simply proposed the idea that it was very likely that India or China would be the next superpower, I never used rhetoric to back it up. And also, I was responding to the statement that a Taiwanish model on mainland China would have been better than Mao. That was a long time ago, and China's economy is the fastest growing in the world now anyway.

I was to refering to the thread-starter.

 

[BassDude726]

Ohh okay, my bad for over-reacting

 

[Archer 007]

@archer

All nations have made sacrifices in the name of their ideals. American Revolution, French Revolution, WWs I and II. Why do you say otherwise?

Other then the French Revolution, the democracies did not start the wars.

 

[Amenhotep7]

Yeah? And your point is? Doesn't matter who started the war, lives were given for their countries' ideals, and thus the accomplishments of that nation beyond that point are the result of the men who gave their lives to defend their country.

 

[Capulet]

It is time India folllowed Chinas example if it ever wants to become a devloped and powerful nation because democracy has failed India.

Are you saying India should become communist? O.o

 

[BassDude726]

I love when people refer to China as a capitalist communist state... is that even possible?

 

[SeleucusNicator]

I love when people refer to China as a capitalist communist state... is that even possible?

Yeah. Its a quasai-capitalist state run by the "Communist Party."

 

[microbe]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/50.beyond/democracy.zhao/

Another article to prove that China's system is doomed.

Where from the article did you draw such a conclusion?

And you don't prove reality from an article. An article is just one opinion, and opinion is like *******, everybody has one.

 

[Archer 007]

Yes, it is. It is a capitalist dictatorship.

 

[BassDude726]

Right but all these things (A quasi-capitalist country run by the Communist party, and a capitalist dictatorship) are not a capitalist communist country. You can't have that. They're fundamentally contradictig philosophies. Its like having a smart Bush.

 

[Amenhotep7]

@microbe

It seems to show that slowly but surely, the CCP's power fades near the light of democracy.

 

[samildanach]

The title of this thread should be "India has failed Democracy". Unfortunately India has failed at most things so this isn't really suprising. India is still steeped in the past, one sees this from reading some posts by Indian CFCers. They still blame their woes on the colonial power, now some 60 years departed, for their own inadequacies.
It seems to be the perpetual cry of the failed system. Mugabe does it all the time to justify his rampantly corrupt government. One wonders how long the people will take the perpetual bull**** of the elite and middle class.
Nothing much has changed in India since Britain left - the elite are still relatively extremely wealthy (but no longer white), the middle are still a bunch of whinging lay abouts and there are lots more of them ( not due to social mobility but to shagging ). And the poor are pretty much where we left them ....in the gutter. Mighty fine words Mr.Ghandi...mighty fine. Counted for nothing really, in the end.
Good Luck Silver. I hope you lead India to the superpower you want it to be. But, as you say, you need to do something about the savage inequalities that plague your nation and the idiots who are perpetuating them.

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[betazed]

The title of this thread should be "India has failed Democracy". Unfortunately India has failed at most things so this isn't really suprising. India is still steeped in the past, one sees this from reading some posts by Indian CFCers. They still blame their woes on the colonial power, now some 60 years departed, for their own inadequacies.
It seems to be the perpetual cry of the failed system. Mugabe does it all the time to justify his rampantly corrupt government. One wonders how long the people will take the perpetual bull**** of the elite and middle class.
Nothing much has changed in India since Britain left - the elite are still relatively extremely wealthy (but no longer white), the middle are still a bunch of whinging lay abouts and there are lots more of them ( not due to social mobility but to shagging ). And the poor are pretty much where we left them ....in the gutter. Mighty fine words Mr.Ghandi...mighty fine. Counted for nothing really, in the end.
Good Luck Silver. I hope you lead India to the superpower you want it to be. But, as you say, you need to do something about the savage inequalities that plague your nation and the idiots who are perpetuating them.

May i ask if you have you ever visted India or read about its history or have any Indian friends or read about India in general. You make some pretty broad generalizations and would like to know how you came to these conclusions?

 

[blindside]

The title of this thread should be "India has failed Democracy". Unfortunately India has failed at most things so this isn't really suprising. India is still steeped in the past, one sees this from reading some posts by Indian CFCers. They still blame their woes on the colonial power, now some 60 years departed, for their own inadequacies.
It seems to be the perpetual cry of the failed system. Mugabe does it all the time to justify his rampantly corrupt government. One wonders how long the people will take the perpetual bull**** of the elite and middle class.
Nothing much has changed in India since Britain left - the elite are still relatively extremely wealthy (but no longer white), the middle are still a bunch of whinging lay abouts and there are lots more of them ( not due to social mobility but to shagging ). And the poor are pretty much where we left them ....in the gutter. Mighty fine words Mr.Ghandi...mighty fine. Counted for nothing really, in the end.
Good Luck Silver. I hope you lead India to the superpower you want it to be. But, as you say, you need to do something about the savage inequalities that plague your nation and the idiots who are perpetuating them.

Perhaps if you visit the subcontinent you'll realize the effect of the British, positive and negative. Other than sucking the country dry of its wealth the British also roused tensions (mainly between Muslims and Hindus, but also with Sikhs) to keep the country divided and make it easier to control. The Muslims and Hindus had coexisted under previous rulers but the British used the divide and conquer technique, pitting different states and religions against each other to take over the country.

 

[Cuivienen]

Right but all these things (A quasi-capitalist country run by the Communist party, and a capitalist dictatorship) are not a capitalist communist country. You can't have that. They're fundamentally contradictig philosophies. Its like having a smart Bush.

That's where the supposed paradox rights itself -- he's a smart person who intentionally acts stupid. Just like China is a capitalist nation that acts communist.

 

[WS78]

Why else do you think he's president?

 

[samildanach]

May i ask if you have you ever visted India or read about its history or have any Indian friends or read about India in general. You make some pretty broad generalizations and would like to know how you came to these conclusions?

If my conclusions annoy you, just say so. Instead of being a coward.
The closest I've gotten to India is an Indian lady who I shared an office with. I also shared a house with registrar from Goa for a year. I also shared a house with english born Sikh scientist ( he BTW would have trouble finding India on a map). Obviously I've had chats about the place - with the ones who knew where India was that is. My interest as far as india is concerned is pretty much limited to when it was part of the British empire.
One thing that struck me is how much money India made for us. A predatory empire is absolutely rolling in it when it was exploiting the country. Yet when it is kicked out the poor remain poor - where is the money going? We are not pocketing it any more.
I see no broad generalisations "not due to social mobility" = stratified society.
"middle class whinging layabouts" = the middle class were always whinging when we were there. If the massive sprawling middle class actually decided to do something about the inequalities in their society they could achieve something but they don't therefore they are apathetic (layabouts). I'm not sure where the indian lady placed in Indian society, but she had eight servants, but she would contend that the poor smelled.(more whinging)
"Savage inequality" that should be obvious.
With millions of people facing the threat of starvation do you think i'm being overly judgemental? India is a rich country with many educated people. India was rich when were there, its still rich. The poor people die because poor people are unimportant. Indian posters like to say that they are still recovering from imperial days and thats why poor people are starving. Many poor people starved under British rule - and we basically didn't give a monkeys so long as India turned a profit. The same is true today of Indias current rulers and the middle class is complicit in it but they can always salve their collective conscience by blaming Britain.

 

[betazed]

If my conclusions annoy you, just say so. Instead of being a coward.

Actually, they do not annoy me at all. However, I am amazed at your monumental arrogance, which of course I know come from momumental stupidity and ignorance. But then I do not expect much else from people like you. Ah! bother why am I typing this....

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