Department of Foreign Affairs - Term 3

[Shaitan]

Welcome RX2000. You'll be happy to know that Phoenatica has never declared war. We do have a rich military history though, as others have declared war on us for most of the past 5000 years.

 

[chiefpaco]

Originally posted by Plexus
I propose changes to article one of the Foreign Policy:

1. We shall declare war on three conditions: the people see it fit, if war will benifet the people, and if we can destroy the opposing nation within 50 turns.

I'm a bit uncomfortable with ol' #1 too. It makes it sounds like we will be accepting some proposed alliances when perhaps we wish not. I have proposed changes to #2 which flipped the statement around to say when we would not sign alliances. Now I suppose they could contradict.

You're on the right track, but I'm not sure if your conditions will satisfy us that well. Sly leaders can always justify a war and 50 turns is quite a long time to say and would likely be hurtful under a Republic (assuming we "declared" war, as stated in the article). 5 turns may be more appropriate, but are we that savage?

I'm thinking we could re-word the measure to accept declaring war based on a certain procedure, given our Republican nature. Something like a mandatory discussion followed by a vote where a 2/3 citizen majority is needed.

Discuss. I'll open a new thread if it heats up.

 

[Curufinwe]

50 turns would become even more hurtful in a democracy unless we obtain Universal Suffrage, if we do then the 50 turn rule has less bad side effects for a Republic, add in polic stations and we can keep it down, plus all of the happiness wonders we have. 2/3 rule sounds good Chiefpaco, but perhaps scrap tradition and make it a 3/4 rule, or differing amount that we should vote for in the future. 5 isn't a good number either, perhaps 15-25, and we should always think about War mobilization, but I don't think that that would be a good idea.

 

[chiefpaco]

The Foreign Policy was amended based on discussion in this thread:

Changes/Additions to Foreign Policy - MPPs and Embargos

England's Status was added based on the voting in this poll:
Public Opinion Poll: England

England was scored on the "Spread Ranking" formula I proposed.

Objections to and discussion on Foreign Policy are always welcome here.

 

[chiefpaco]

Foreign Relations
Gracious: None
Polite: England
Cautious: India
Annoyed: Rome, Greece, China, Zululand, Iroquois
Furious: Babylon, Aztecs

ROP Agreements
(nation, turns left, gpt to us)
Rome, 10, 0
Greece, 0, 1
Iroquois, 0, 1
Zulu, 0, 0
India, 0, 0

Other Foreign Pacts
Greece and India share a MPP.

FA Spending
(Nation, amount, turns to expire)
Greece, 2gpt, 11
Iroquois, 2gpt, 10
India, 2gpt, 10

Next turn's Foreign Proposal is posted here: Foreign Affairs Proposal for June 12 turn

 

[donsig]

The President's office asks FA what can be done to diplomatically remove the Greek forces from our territory.

 

[Strider]

As you can see their are many greek troops inside of are terrority, but most of them are pass are cities. I think if they were going to attack us they would have already. I also came up with the possibility that they could attack the chinese, but most of their forces are far away from the nearest chinese town. The most reasonable thing I could think of was they are going to attack the Iroquois.

Teal: Are troops

Yellow: Greek stacks

Blue:Greek troops

Green: Greek possibility of attacks

Purple: Iroquois troops

 

[chiefpaco]

I agree Greece does not appear to be headed towards us because some of their troops have already crossed our lands and are currently in Iroquois lands. They do not seem to be headed towards the closest city of India or the closest Chinese city. Unless they can walk on water, I think they are headed to Iroquois lands. I haven't heard official word from Greece and their silence worries me.

Greece is an Able Partner of ours, but we certainly do not endorse agression towards a Favoured Nation like Iroquois. In this case, we would be more supportive of the Iroquois. It should also be noted that Greece share a MPP with India so this could get messy.

Since we can not ignore Greece's wishes right now, I can see very little we can do to stop their troop movements. We have a ROP with them and we should remember we used a ROP honourably with them on our Aztec enemies and I will trust them to this point. That said, perhaps we can create a favoured passage for them to steer their troops from passing directly by our cities. I will make this recommendation to the Military Dept.

My other goal is to maintain our deals with Greece on a turn-by-turn basis, should we feel a need to instantly revoke them. Therefore, I'm proposing no new agreements with them this round so they may be instantly canceled any time.

Greece shall be warned that their actions against a higher ranking nation shall not be endorsed by our nation. They shall also be ill advised to turn on us at this point, lest powerful action be directed to them.

 

[Strider]

Sorry I ment to post an attachment with that, but it didn't work out to well.

 

[chiefpaco]

Please cast your vote regarding how we should show our generosity towards Rome:
Pleasing Rome

Strider, I thought that might have been the case

 

[Plexus]

Go here for an important resignation thread from myself:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24639

 

[chiefpaco]

In light of Plexus' resignation, I would like to appoint Padma as my Foreign Affairs Deputy. Padma finished next in voting in the last election and is a fine contributer to Phoenatica. That is, pending Padma's acceptance.

I'm hoping for someone to be backup for the FA in case I have to leave and second opinions on FA affairs. I hope to give the deputy a turn or 2 behind the wheel too, if we can manage.

 

[Padma]

I have discussed this with chiefpaco, and am willing to accept this appointment. It would be an honor to serve Phoenatica.

The only caveat, as I pointed out to cp, is that RL can intervene, sometimes suddenly. For now, in my case, turn chats simply cannot be guaranteed. Sunday/Monday are impossible, and all other days are questionable. I will try to make tonight's chat.

 

[Strider]

If you don't have a chat rep CP I voulanteer to be it. I can make most of the turn chats and I already represent two departments. Why not make it three?

 

[Chieftess]

Umm.. Strider, don't bite off more than you can chew.

 

[Strider]

Don't worry.... I can't chew much, but I can eat alot

 

[Cyc]

Congrats, Padma.

 

[chiefpaco]

Thanks for the offer, Strider, but I think it's best for me to not accept. I've been able to attend pretty well every chat so I'm not hiring at the moment.

 

[chiefpaco]

Foreign Relations
Gracious: None
Polite: Rome, England
Cautious: India
Annoyed: Greece, Iroquois, China, Zulu
Furious: Aztecs, China

ROP Agreements
(nation, turns left, gpt to us)
Zulu, 0, 0
India, 0, 0
England, 6, 0
Iroquois, 0, 1
Greece, 0, 1
Rome, 5, 0

Other Foreign Pacts
Greece and India share a MPP.
Greece declared war on Iroquois in 1315AD.
India declared war on Iroquois via MPP in the following year.

FA Spending
(Nation, amount, turns to expire)
India, 2gpt, 5
Iroquois, 2gpt, 5
Greece, 2gpt, 6

 

[chiefpaco]

Foreign Relations
Gracious: None
Polite: India, England, Zulu
Cautious: None
Annoyed: Greece, Iroquois, China, Babylon, Rome
Furious: Aztecs

ROP Agreements
(nation, turns left, gpt to us)
Zulu, 0, 0
India, 0, 0
England, 2, 0
Iroquois, 16, 0
Greece, 16, 3
Rome, 1, 0

Other Foreign Pacts
Greece and India share a MPP.
Greece declared war on Iroquois in 1315AD, still continuing.
India declared war on Iroquois via MPP in the following year, still continuing.

FA Spending
(Nation, amount, turns to expire)
India, 2gpt, 1
Iroquois, 2gpt, 1, 1gpt, 16
Greece, 2gpt, 2

Foreign Governments
Democracy: England, Rome, Greece, Zulu, China, Babylon, India, Aztecs
Anarchy: Iroquois