Department of General Musings

[Daghdha]

Seems like you can use shift+D and initiate diplo when standing on tile next to opponents border, but not when only seeing it. I walked around it 1 tile away and zip happened before I stepped up next to border line.
Very nice set up Tubs, I'll play with it for a while.

Edit: Strange indeed. It "works", but negotiation over e-mail/PM must be much better. Is there anything said about what channels of negotiating we're allowed/suggested to use?

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Perhaps we should start talking about what we should do when we meet another civ. Having never gotten this far in a PBEM (played to turn 5 with Gengis once ) I am in student mode.

Edit - I suppose this should go over on the diplomacy thread.

 

[Daghdha]

I wonder how fast we would want to get out of despotism. It looks like we will out-rex Greece and q is how do we maximize that advantage? In despo, being agri, we can use our fast growing pop as cash and whip our cheap temples for border expansion. 1 temple->12 tiles (if OCP that is). The good thing about using pop rushing instead of cash dito is we can save the dough for upgrading cheap warriors. Downside, despo yields little cash . This is an equation the geeks dept. are better suited to figure.
Trying to state the question: Do we lose more cash by staying in despo and whipping pop than we gain by switching to rep and cash rushing? The critical factor being the ability to rush X # of temples.
This is almost too geeky for me so I don't know if it's understanable at all . I have a hunch that it might be an interesting question all the same.

 

[soul_warrior]

indeed dagh.
but we need the numbers people on this one.
i am but a humble warrior here.

 

[Daghdha]

indeed dagh.
but we need the numbers people on this one.
i am but a humble warrior here.

And a much appreciated one! This merry bunch seems to be a nice mix of warheads, geeks, lunatics, builders, diplomats and idiots. We will contribut all of us I'm sure. Me, I just ramble a lot about everything and nothing knowing that no crafty strategy is worth a monkeys dong without the MM'ing and geeking. The #dept is the bigger part of what makes the whole beast tick.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I think that it would be harder to hide the cash rushing of temples with Republic than pop rushing in Despot. MIA might see the land grab that we trying to pull off.

I think that MIA will out dollar us regardless. We might as well make the most of our AGR trait. Pop Rushing temples sounds ok but the things might change once Republic starts. 1 G per temple seems like it'll be a burden later if we really don't need them. But I huess that we can sell them after border expansion.

 

[Daghdha]

I think that it would be harder to hide the cash rushing of temples with Republic than pop rushing in Despot. MIA might see the land grab that we trying to pull off.

I think that MIA will out dollar us regardless. We might as well make the most of our AGR trait. Pop Rushing temples sounds ok but the things might change once Republic starts. 1 G per temple seems like it'll be a burden later if we really don't need them. But I huess that we can sell them after border expansion.

Yeah, border exp is what they would be for. MIA will see our expansion and be worried about it. We need to convice them that they be better off accepting that, rather than obstructing.

 

[Bede]

I would use our AGRI trait to the max and use settlers rather than temples to expand the borders. The ongoing cost of a temple is high and the shields end up wasted if you sell them. New towns keep giving and giving and giving......

 

[Daghdha]

I would use our AGRI trait to the max and use settlers rather than temples to expand the borders. The ongoing cost of a temple is high and the shields end up wasted if you sell them. New towns keep giving and giving and giving......

Good point, but wouldn't a loose planning + temples yield the bestest "fastest" coverage? When a looot of tiles are covered we can fill in with settlers to raise the non-temple city count. The cities with temples may even keep them and build more cult later on to flip some Greek villages that happen to be squeezed in on a free tile . Will not argue further about it 'thou.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

For the time being, I think we need to concentrate on the two staples of CIV success, population (settlers and workers) and military. Anything else at the moment is a waste.

 

[Whomp]

Anyone got a handy copy of Bede's "temple rant"? For those of you who have not read such fury I highly recommend reading it.

I also defer to Bugs on this topic. Settler, workers, military.
Libs and markets will come in their due time and pay for themselves.

 

[soul_warrior]

we all still tremble when thinking about holy places.
i still cant go into one.
i say we eat all of our porridge, so we'll grow nice and strong.
when were older, we can go to college and learn to read.

 

[Daghdha]

we all still tremble when thinking about holy places.
i still cant go into one.
i say we eat all of our porridge, so we'll grow nice and strong.
when were older, we can go to college and learn to read.

There, a religious man preaching

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Anyone got a handy copy of Bede's "temple rant"? For those of you who have not read such fury I highly recommended reading it.

Is this where he makes a case for Godlessness in except in culture wins?

 

[gmaharriet]

Anyone got a handy copy of Bede's "temple rant"? For those of you who have not read such fury I highly recommended reading it.

Anybody have a link to it? I've read about the rant several times, but I've never actually seen the genuine article. I get curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Aahhh.. he must be getting soft. He recommended temples in TR04 .


I'll defer to others on building planning.

 

[Whomp]

You asked for it...

Somebody posted something about temples... it's a little early for that. Bede'll probably say that's another one of my understatements.

Temples...temples...priests are prevaricating parasites who pillage the body politic.
You want culture, build libraries. You get something back from the investment.
You want content citizens, build marketplaces, trade for luxuries, build towns for luxuries
Bede says:
If happiness is a problem in a settler or worker farm, it is a self-limiting problem. Raise the luxury tax, hire an MP, you only need to make the expenditure for a couple of turns. Temples are with you forever and are a permanent drag on the economy.

Understatement...bah!

Clive1

 

[Sir Bugsy]

That wasn't the one I was thinking about. I guess there is more than one.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I wonder if Provo misses the 24 hours, if anyone will post a thread about him delaying the game. I wonder if the other continent has met and they are going through what we went through yesterday.....

 

[Daghdha]

I wonder if Provo misses the 24 hours, if anyone will post a thread about him delaying the game. I wonder if the other continent has met and they are going through what we went through yesterday.....

Or even worse