Dept. of Turnplay too

gmaharriet · Jun 4, 2006

Tubby Rower said:
What happened on turn 139? Did we fight TNT? there was no battle log sent no turnplay log.

Um, if you look at the regular turnlog thread, you'll notice that there are TWO turn 138's. :lol:

With all the details to keep track of and write down, it's a wonder this doesn't happen more frequently. :mischief:

Sir Bugsy · Jun 4, 2006

Whomp said:
On turn 138 Donut bypassed some cities with pikes and are headed north.

That's what the Donuts did. Who cares. They aren't the enemy. What do they see? What is TNT doing? That's intel.

Whomp · Jun 4, 2006

Well it seems Donut took an empty city according to BCLG and we need to make sure the harbor thing is fixed since they shouldn't have MIA's luxes.

Spoiler :

Tubby Rower · Jun 4, 2006

he's giving away so much info it's almost not laughable....

almost :lol:

grahamiam · Jun 4, 2006

gmaharriet said:
Um, if you look at the regular turnlog thread, you'll notice that there are TWO turn 138's.

With all the details to keep track of and write down, it's a wonder this doesn't happen more frequently.

just trying to see who's paying attention and who is just glossing over this stuff

Whomp · Jun 4, 2006

Battle log from Carpetbomb

Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment successful (3/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment failed. (4/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment failed. (4/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment successful (3/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment successful (3/4)
Trebuchet bombards KISS vetern pikeman. Bombardment failed. (3/4)
Immortal attacks KISS vet (3/4) pikeman. Pikeman wins (1/4)
Immortal #5 attacks KISS vet (3/4) pikeman. Immortal wins (3/3)
Immortal #6 attacks KISS vet pikeman. Pikeman wins (2/4).

They didn't have enough units to attack any of the LB's. It looks like we are about to get a pile of buchets (6) to use against them.

@Scout it seems they didn't learn your lesson to leave one 'buchet for later.

Sir Bugsy · Jun 4, 2006

Well if we can't get any intel from our ally, I guess intel from our enemy is just as good. :rolleyes:

I have to say, I am getting a bit cross at Donuts for not giving us intel.

That's some good news on the battle log. I think G-man is going to have fun throwing the first KISS party in Carpetbomb. Can we please keep this one?

Whomp · Jun 4, 2006

Sir Bugsy said:
Well if we can't get any intel from our ally, I guess intel from our enemy is just as good. I have to say, I am getting a bit cross at Donuts for not giving us intel.

I pm'd Robi D so I'm sure he'll get back to us by tomorrow. Killercane is the new turnplayer for Donut so we have him on IM and will get it taken care of.

Tubby Rower · Jun 5, 2006

I'm sorry Bugs... it's my fault for not checking up on D'nut intel. Don't blame them ...yet. Sorry for letting it slip through the cracks. :blush:

Whomp · Jun 5, 2006

Hmm.

Whomp said:
Hey Rob,
Just so you're aware TNT should not have luxs coming from MIA after we razed Grenadeopolis.

There was a bug in the save last turn and they were still getting them.

BCLG told me you took an empty city. Anything else we can use on your front? We're at Carpetbomb's doorstep which shows 1 reg. pike. Unabomb will see our other stack next turn.

Whomper

Robi D said:
Yes, i smelled a rat straight away, since when does TNT leave an unguarded city unrazed for us to take? I told my hunch to kuningas so he would look further afield right away and guess what, we can see 3 cities, Shilhanopolis, Dynopolis and Dancing Banana, all unguarded and all with striking range of our forces next turn This is just to easy

Good night Irene. The end is near. My bet is within 6-9 turns TNT does not exist.

Robi D said:
On another matter we may have a problem. While i have be able to talk MIA into heading for ToG (without much difficulty), we got a good trade offer out of it, we hand of gunpowder, banking and an unspecified amount of gold (i'm thinking of offering 500, which we can raise in 2 turns) for astronomy, physics and ToG. All good but my conversation with FE showed a problem, they knew you gave us Gunpowder the turn you gave it to us, they must be checking the technology situation every turn. This leaves us in the postion of getting the tech from them but then we can't give them to you without them noticing, and they are insisting we don't trade these techs if we agree to the swap. Any ideas Mr. Shadow POTKISS

This doesn't work. It's obvious MIA needs a new partner and it's not us. Since Donut is required to share all techs with us in the MA's and MIA insists on an exclusive it looks like a no deal. MIA can research on their own is my view.

grahamiam · Jun 5, 2006

imho, we ought to lock up donuts till the mid to late IA as well.

Kickbooti · Jun 5, 2006

Whomp said:
Good night Irene. The end is near. My bet is within 6-9 turns TNT does not exist.

The moral of the story... If an Idiot floating by on his boat offers you a drink, at least say 'hello,' and don't attack your neighbor's worker unprovoked - it 'aint nice.

Whomp · Jun 5, 2006

Kickbooti said:
The moral of the story... If an Idiot floating by on his boat offers you a drink, at least say 'hello,' and don't attack your neighbor's worker unprovoked - it 'aint nice.

Ain't that the fact, Jack. They didn't even get to keep that worker :lol:

and our drunk sailors have been the bane of their existence, literally.

As I said to BCLG "TNT had an opportunity before and after the first Donut war to make peace with us and you made no attempt". He said "You could've made a peace offer too". I said "we didn't need to initiate peace with TNT and you did". The regular demogame players are d.o.n.e. done. I say 7 turns.

Grahamiam said:
imho, we ought to lock up donuts till the mid to late IA as well.

Gareed. We've had this discussion before but I think it's time to firm this up.

Tubby Rower · Jun 5, 2006

Our deal with the Nuts precludes any other agreements that go against the Simpson Accord. So the trade with MIA (without giving us the techs) is not kosher and if the D'nuts agree to it, then we might be alone in the world

Whomp · Jun 5, 2006

I'm trying to get an assessment of what we can expect coming up.

There were 8 buchets at Unabomb and 6 were used at Carpetbomb (I assume they came from Unabomb because immortal #5 and #6 were at Unabomb).

According to what I see they would have 4 immortals left from the Unabomb attack and 2 buchets(a vet immortals died at Carpetbomb according to Strider's pm to me and #5 and #6 were at Unabomb and moved to Carpetbomb) .

We haven't seen any horses plus their capital needs to be defended since it was empty (along with 2 other cities).

Because they have so many undefended cities I think we should hold off using Bugsy's Blade at Carpetbomb since he may be able to run into a city (Semtex to the SW?)

Thoughts?

Battle log from Unabomb.

Spoiler :

Battle log from Carpetbomb

Spoiler :

Here's part of the conversation with Robi. I believe he said Semtex was to the SW of Carpetbomb.

Spoiler :

Sir Bugsy · Jun 5, 2006

We need to go for a land grab now! TNT is caving and they have decided to let Donuts have most of their cities. We need to march now and grab as much as we can. We also need to pump some settlers ASAP. I wouldn't be surprised to see MIA in the act very soon with occupiers and settlers. TNT is going to try and throw their assets to Donuts and MIA.

grahamiam · Jun 5, 2006

Log for Turn 140.

Diplomacy
Donuts have started the Pyramids race. Probably a prebuild but not sure.

City Builds:
Dunderhead LB -> Pike
Jesterton LB -> LB
SKWTD LB -> LB
Notthefullshilling rax -> University (this city can be max pop + uni as it has a lot of gold in the sea tiles)
Frozen Lake galley -> Market
Gilfach LB -> LB

Begin the turn with 116g, -15gpt, Chems in 6.

F-checks and such:
Pop = 1
GNP (613 Million) = 2
MFG (157 Megatons) = 2
Land Area = 2
Literacy = 3
Disease = 2
Pollution = 1
Life Expectancy = 1
Family Size = 3
Military Service = 2
Annual Income (9 per capita) = 1
Productivity (678) = 2

Worker stuff:

City Management:
MM Ignoramous to grow in 2T

Unit Stuff:
Battle @ Carpetbomb:
There are 2 immortals around Carpetbomb, outside of town.
Town has a vPike protecting it.

vLB dies to vPike (3/5)*
vLB dies to 3/5 pike (1/5)*
vLB dies to vImm (1/4)*
vLB kills 1/5 pike, promotes (4/5)*
vLB kills ¼ LB (2/4)*, and we capture the town. Debate razing it, so consult AK and BeF

Since there’s an SoD of units to the S (we could not count, but it looked like 5 units to me, plus the 2 others nearby) we raze the town + capture 6 Trebs + get 3 slaves.
Notice that this town was on a gold hill, so that hurts even more.
Move 2 slaves to Perky galley, the rest of the trebs and workers to the hill N of the ruins
¼ and 2/4 pikes move to hill as well.
Bugsy’s Blade moves NW, W, razes road, then NE to hill.
vLB from SoD heads E, along with the other vLB’s up near the Iron

Turn after (141):
Builds due next turn:
Nada
Barb galley approaches our retreat convoy.

End the turn with 69g, -18gpt, Chems in 5 (4.5.1)

Sir Bugsy · Jun 5, 2006

Why can't we move on Unabomb? Don't we have enough units to march and defend? Isn't everyone healed? That would open a second front that TNT couldn't handle. Instead we give them one front at a time. Plus that pike in the north is heading towards Unabomb to defend. Now it will be there one turn before we can attack. If we ever attack.

I also disagree with the strategy of raising Carpetbomb. That SOD would move with range of all our new trebs but couldn't attack the city. This would give us an opportunity to bomb them then attack them. We might have lost one unit on the IBT

Now we can lose two LBs or our stack on the hill can be attacked. We also can't move more than one tile off the hil because it isn't roaded. We are turtling when we should be striking. Plus they can move their SOD to an adjoining hill making it harder to attack them.

I just am not understanding. TNT is leaving the south open. We now know they are hurting for units. We might be seeing their entire miltary right now, yet we turtle.

Wosret · Jun 6, 2006

I agree to the disband.
1st, the time for them to retake would be counted in few fingers.
2nd, defending the city would become an anchor for our attackn civ at this point.

I think till we cant beat theyr production at all, we must just make attacks, and dont stopo bringing settlers and units, in few time well be able to handlle conquered cities.

About the 2nd front, in unabomb, why we havent showed our face donwthere?

scoutsout · Jun 6, 2006

Wosret said:
About the 2nd front, in unabomb, why we havent showed our face donwthere?

Because they have no face to show. The immortals that have been harrassing our LB/Pike task force came from Unabomb. They'll still have that stack of trebs when we go after 'em again... but they won't have many immortals for a counterattack...

I think we should keep Unabomb, and start making settlers in earnest. TNT is about to fall like a house of cards, and we'll soon be faced with a land-grab competition with 'nuts. IIRC, Knucklehead has a granary, and if peeling a settler won't take it past size 7 we could peel one there. I think Village d'Idiota has a granary too. Then there's Ignoramus... with its stupid amount of food available...

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