Design a Civ/Leader lineup for the First Civ6 Expansion

[Phrozen]

I would like to see an Old or Middle Kingdom Pharaoh for Egypt.

 

[Manifold]

First I speculate that we get some more dlc with more new Civs (Mongolia, Korea, Zulu, Mali, Carthage, Inca, Maya, Mississippi, Portugal, Ottoman) before we get an expansion with also a lot of new game content like railways and so on. Although I would prefer to have certain new game content immediately.

So I would love to see an expansion that concentrate on alternative/second/third leaders for existing and historical important Civs:

1. Egypt: Chufu (or another from the Old or Middle Kingdom)
2. Rome: Scipio Africanus (my personal desire for a hero leader)
3. Greece: Agamemnon (my personal desire for a bad guy)
4. China: Yongle Emperor (more naval aspect)
5. India: Akbar (more militaristic less religious aspect)
6. England: Churchill (Tank UU)
7. Russia: Stalin (Tank UU)
8. America: Eisenhower (more atomic)
9. France: Jeanne d’Arc ( more medieval)
10. Germany: Baron vom Stein (more Prussia)
11. Scythia: Attila (more fire)
12. Spain: Isabella (much better than Philip II)

 

[IgorS]

If we are going with 9, this is what I would do:
1. Mongols - Genghis Khan
2. Inca - Pachacuti
3. Iroquois - Joseph Brant
4. Turks - Suleiman
5. Ethiopians - Menelik
6. Koreans - Seondok
7. Dutch - Wilhelmina
The token new civs:
8. Georgians - Tamar
9. Hungarians - Matthias Corvinus

And like in Civ IV, we need new leaders for some civs that are already in the game (and as I speculate, it should be someone with a different capital city):
Germans - Bismarck (Berlin)
Americans - Washington (Philadelphia)
Russians - Ivan (III, not the Terrible, but the Great) (Moscow)
Indians - Ashoka (Patna)
Egyptians - Ramesses (Waset)

 

[Siptah]

If we are going with 9, this is what I would do:
1. Mongols - Genghis Khan
2. Inca - Pachacuti
3. Iroquois - Joseph Brant
4. Turks - Suleiman
5. Ethiopians - Menelik
6. Koreans - Seondok
7. Dutch - Wilhelmina
The token new civs:
8. Georgians - Tamar
9. Hungarians - Matthias Corvinus

And like in Civ IV, we need new leaders for some civs that are already in the game (and as I speculate, it should be someone with a different capital city):
Germans - Bismarck (Berlin)
Americans - Washington (Philadelphia)
Russians - Ivan (III, not the Terrible, but the Great) (Moscow)
Indians - Ashoka (Patna)
Egyptians - Ramesses (Waset)

Nice list but since Ramesses left Waset after a few years to found his own capital, it would be better to use Pi-Ramesse.

 

[IgorS]

Nice list but since Ramesses left Waset after a few years to found his own capital, it would be better to use Pi-Ramesse.

Yeah, I forgot about that. So either Waset or Pi-Ramesses, then.

 

[Guandao]

First I speculate that we get some more dlc with more new Civs (Mongolia, Korea, Zulu, Mali, Carthage, Inca, Maya, Mississippi, Portugal, Ottoman) before we get an expansion with also a lot of new game content like railways and so on. Although I would prefer to have certain new game content immediately.

So I would love to see an expansion that concentrate on alternative/second/third leaders for existing and historical important Civs:

1. Egypt: Chufu (or another from the Old or Middle Kingdom)
2. Rome: Scipio Africanus (my personal desire for a hero leader)
3. Greece: Agamemnon (my personal desire for a bad guy)
4. China: Yongle Emperor (more naval aspect)
5. India: Akbar (more militaristic less religious aspect)
6. England: Churchill (Tank UU)
7. Russia: Stalin (Tank UU)
8. America: Eisenhower (more atomic)
9. France: Jeanne d’Arc ( more medieval)
10. Germany: Baron vom Stein (more Prussia)
11. Scythia: Attila (more fire)
12. Spain: Isabella (much better than Philip II)

Attila wasn't Scythian, he was a Hun.

I prefer if the expansion had new Civs instead of just alternate leaders. The alt leaders don't really add much except for a leader ability. And I don't think Firaxis will release all those Civs as DLC.

I'm going to create a list of possible female leaders whom Firaxis might add to the expansion, including alternate leaders. I'm betting there will be at least four female leaders in the first expansion.

 

[IgorS]

I'm going to create a list of possible female leaders whom Firaxis might add to the expansion, including alternate leaders. I'm betting there will be at least four female leaders in the first expansion.

Let me help you, then.

In game:
English: Elizabeth
French: Jeanne d'Arc (a bad choice, but she did appear in II and III)
Germans: ? (I hope not Maria Theresa, as she should lead Austria)
Romans: ? (was there any good option?)
Greeks: ? (I think Gorgo is as good as it gets)
Macedonians: ?
Spanish: Isabella
Sumerians: ?
Arabs: ?
Russians: Catherine, Elizabeth
Chinese: Wu Zetian, Cixi
Japanese: ?
Indians: Indira Gandhi (she actually makes more sense than Mohandas Gandhi as leader)
Egyptians: Hatshepsut
Persians: ?
Kongolese: ? (NOT Ana Nzinga)
Americans: Edith Wilson (actually held power and assumed Presidential functions)
Aztecs: ?
Brazilians: ? (Dilma Rousseff is alive, and I am against using living people as leaders and great people, besides, she is very unpopular)
Australians: ? (Julia Gillard is alive)

 

[Kimiimaro]

I would suggest Puabi as a Sumerian female leader. True, we don't know much about her, but considering the riches found in her tomb, she was probably a very respected queen.

 

[Roman Citizen]

Himiko could be a good female option for Japan

 

[Manifold]

Attila wasn't Scythian, he was a Hun.

That does not matter for the gamemaker and the contemporary Greek writers which have introduced the term!

The alt leaders don't really add much except for a leader ability. And I don't think Firaxis will release all those Civs as DLC.

No, we get more than one expansion again. For me the alternative leaders are very important because I love it if my small and unimportant Civ fights and competes with the best opponents in history of mankind and not with e.g. Liechtenstein, East Timor and Costa Rica (sorry just as examples).

Therefore, in order to remain my motivated, I want to compete against the most competitively leaders in the history of mankind. So I need alternative leaders for existing Civs more than not so important new Civs with new leaders. Best of all, both together!!!

Let me help you, then.

In game:
English: Elizabeth
French: Jeanne d'Arc (a bad choice, but she did appear in II and III)

There was already a thread about this topic before the game was released....where it is again

 

[Guandao]

That does not matter for the gamemaker and the contemporary Greek writers which have introduced the term!



No, we get more than one expansion again. For me the alternative leaders are very important because I love it if my small and unimportant Civ fights and competes with the best opponents in history of mankind and not with e.g. Liechtenstein, East Timor and Costa Rica (sorry just as examples).

Therefore, in order to remain my motivated, I want to compete against the most competitively leaders in the history of mankind. So I need alternative leaders for existing Civs more than not so important new Civs with new leaders. Best of all, both together!!!



There was already a thread about this topic before the game was released....where it is again

I don't think Firaxis will consider Attila a Scythian. Imagine him speaking Ossetian. It would be so wrong.

So many important civilizations have been left out of the vanilla game. Mongolia, Ottomans, the Dutch, the Portuguese, Incas, Maya, Mali, Ethiopia, a SE Asian nation, Korea, Celts......
I'm not a fan of how they implemented the alternate leaders in Civ6. Gorgo and Pericles share the same uniques, and civ ability, except for leader ability. Playing as Gorgo didn't feel that much different from playing as Pericles. I want the expansion to contain more new Civs than alternate leaders. If they stick to 9 civs, maybe they can include 4 alternate leaders, like for the Civs whose vanilla leaders many players disliked, such as France, India, and Egypt.

 

[Hawke9]

I've been hoping for a thread like this,
Oh boy here we go:
Mongolia - Genghis Khan
Korea - Sejong
Netherlands - William of Orange
Inca - Pachacuti
Mali - Mansa Miss with Askia as additional leader
Portugal - any leader is fine.
Maya - Pacal

Additional leaders:
France - Napoleon
Germany - Bismarck

As you can see, I'm a bit attached to the civs and leaders of civ v. I would have chosen Indonesia with Gajah Mada too, but it will probably already be the next dlc.

 

[IgorS]

Female leaders of civs not in the game yet:
Mongols: Börte
Danes: Margaret
Austrians: Maria Theresa
Byzantines: Irene, Theodora
Koreans: Seondeok
Carthaginians: Dido
Iroquois: Jigonhsasee
Dutch: Wilhelmina
Hittites: Puduhepa
Assyrians: Shammuramat
Maya: Lady Xoc

Other possible civs:
Cherokee: Nancy Ward
Taino: Anacaona
Georgians: Tamar
Israelites: Deborah, Salome Alexandra
Malagasy: Ranavalona
Argentines: Eva Peron
Britons: Boudica, Cartimandua
Hausa: Amina
Ndongo: Ana Nzinga
Nubians: Amanishakheto

 

[DudewiththeFood]

Assuming we get Mali, Indonesia and some Egyptian leader in the DLCs this is my line-up.

Mongols
Incas
Cherokee (or Iroquois)
Dutch
Ottomans
Swahili/Kilwa
Khmer
Korea
Ethiopia, Georgia or Armenia

Germany - Bismarck
India - Chandragupta
France - Louis XIV

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

Expansion name: Civilization VI Plus Ultra

With respect to new gameplay mechanics, I'd want the first expansion to bring back the World Congress, as well as to introduce Region-specific Leaves to the Civic and Tech Trees.


Africa
1) Carthage (Hannibal)

Americas
2) Sioux (Sitting Bull)

Asia
3) Mongolia (Genghis Khan)

Europe
4) Belgium (Leopold II)
5) Byzantium (Julian the Apostate)
6) Portugal (Henry the Navigator)
7) Switzerland

Middle-East
8) Babylon (Hammurabi)
9) Outremer (Godfrey of Bouillon)

Pre-order bonus:
10) Austria (H.R.E. Charles V)

My idea for Austria would be to basically conflate it with the Habsburg Monarchy; really, I just wanted to have Charles V without having the Holy Roman Empire, which would overlap too much with Germany.

 

[Guandao]

I wonder how the Civ lineup for the first expansion will be like.
Would Firaxis and Ed Beach go overboard with the European Civs? Or would they try to remedy the lack of representation for certain parts of the world?
The next two DLCs containing African and SE Asian Civs seems like a part of that effort.
Would Africa and SE Asia not be represented in the first expansion? I think Africa could use another Civ in the first expansion. As for SE Asia, I'm fine with them not adding another until the 2nd expansion. South America and North America (not including Mesoamerica) could use some Amerindian representation.

Gods and Kings had 6 new European Civs (Byzantium and Huns count as European to me). Personally, I would reduce the European representation a bit. Unless the number of new Civs will be higher than 9.

Any thoughts?

 

[IgorS]

In Civ V,
"Gods and Kings" added
5 European civs: Swedes, Dutch, Celts, Huns, Austrians
1 Asian civ: Byzantines
2 African civs: Carthaginians, Ethiopians
1 North American civ: Maya

"Brave new World" added:
3 European civs: Poles, Portuguese, Venetians
2 Asian civs: Assyrians, Indonesians
2 African civs: Zulu, Moroccans
1 North American civ: Shoshone
1 South American civ: Brazilians

 

[Manifold]

Let me help you, then.

In game:
English: Elizabeth
French: Jeanne d'Arc (a bad choice, but she did appear in II and III)
Germans: ? (I hope not Maria Theresa, as she should lead Austria)
Romans: ? (was there any good option?)
Greeks: ? (I think Gorgo is as good as it gets)
Macedonians: ?
Spanish: Isabella
Sumerians: ?
Arabs: ?
Russians: Catherine, Elizabeth
Chinese: Wu Zetian, Cixi
Japanese: ?
Indians: Indira Gandhi (she actually makes more sense than Mohandas Gandhi as leader)
Egyptians: Hatshepsut
Persians: ?
Kongolese: ? (NOT Ana Nzinga)
Americans: Edith Wilson (actually held power and assumed Presidential functions)
Aztecs: ?
Brazilians: ? (Dilma Rousseff is alive, and I am against using living people as leaders and great people, besides, she is very unpopular)
Australians: ? (Julia Gillard is alive)

here is the old thread

America - Eleanor Roosvelt
Argentina - Eva Peron
Inca - Paccha Duchicela
Mayan - Yohl Ik'nal

Byzantium - Theodora
China - Wu Zetian
India - Rani of Jhansi
Japan - Himiko
Scythia - Tomyris
Syria - Zenobia

Celts - Boudicca
England - Elizabeth
France - Catherine
Georgia - King Tamar
Greece - Gorgo
Knossos - Europa
Russia - Ekatherina
Spain - Isabella

Carthage - Dido
Egypt - Cleopatra
Madagascar - Ranavalona

Keyword: Alternative History
Because Byzantium could get a medieval ruler like Alexios I Komnenos this time, the Ottomans should be led by a Sultana like Roxelana or her daughter.

 

[Guandao]

Here are possible female leaders for Civ. Note that some of them were mediocre or pretty bad rulers. If Firaxis picked Maria I for Portugal, anything goes:

Africa:
Aissa Koli (Kanem-Bornu)
Amanirenas (Nubia)
Amanitore (Nubia)
Amina (Hausa)
Anna Nzinga (Ndongo)
Dido (Carthage)
Dihya (Berbers)
Hangbe (Dahomey)
Hatshepsut (Egypt)
Kimpa Vita (Kongo)
Lingeer Fatim Beye (Sine)
Mmanthatisi (Tlokwa)
Nefertiti (Egypt)
Nehanda Nyakasikana (Shona)
Orompoto (Oyo)
Queen Idia (Benin)
Ranavalona I (Madagascar)
Ranavalona II (Madagascar)
Rasoherina (Madagascar)
Shajar al-Durr (Arabia)
Shanakdakhete (Nubia)
Sitt al-Mulk (Arabia)
Yaa Asantewaa (Ashanti)
Yennenga (Mossi)
Zewditu (Ethiopia)

Americas:
Anacaona (Taino)
Awashonks (Wampanoag)
Catherine Montour (Iroquois)
Chipeta (Utes)
Cockacoeske (Powhatan)
Gaitana (Yalcon)
Glory of the Morning (Ho-Chunk)
Gouyen (Apache)
Lady Eveningstar (Maya)
Lady K'abel (Maya)
Lady Six Sky (Maya)
Lady Xoc (Maya)
Madame Montour (Algonquin)
Molly Brant (Iroquois)
Nancy Ward (Cherokee)
Nonhelema (Shawnee)
Queen Alliquippa (Iroquois)
Running Eagle (Blackfoot)
Sak K'uk' (Maya)
Tacumwah (Miami)
Thanadelthur (Dene)
Toypurina (Tongva)
Weetamoo (Wampanoag)
Woman Chief (Crow)
Yohl Ik'nal (Maya)

Asia:
Abbakka Chowta (India)
Ahilyabai Holkar (India)
Ang Mey (Cambodia)
Anula (Sri Lanka)
Artemisia I (Caria)
Artemisia II (Caria)
Arwa al-Sulayhi (Yemen)
Asma bint Shihab (Yemen)
Athaliah (Israel)
Azarmidokht (Persia)
Boran (Persia)
Cleopatra Thea (Seleucids)
Dayang Kalangitan (Philippines)
Didda (India)
Durgavati (India)
Empress Dowager Cixi (China)
Erato (Armenia)
Genmei (Japan)
Gensho (Japan)
Go-Sakuramachi (Japan)
Gowri Lakshmi Bayi (India)
Helena (Adiabene)
Himiko (Japan)
Inayat Zakiatuddin Syah (Aceh)
Isabella (Armenia)
Isabella I (Kingdom of Jerusalem)
Jindeok (Korea)
Jingu (Japan)
Jito (Japan)
Kaikhusrau Jahan (India)
Keladi Chennamma (India)
Khadijah (Maldives)
Kittur Chennamma (India)
Kogyoku (Japan)
Koken (Japan)
Kosem Sultan (Ottomans)
Kubaba (Sumer)
Lady Trieu (Vietnam)
Lakshmibai (India)
Lilavati (Sri Lanka)
Lu Zhi (China)
Ly Chieu Hoang (Vietnam)
Mahendradatta (Bali)
Mandukhai Khatun (Mongolia)
Mavia (Arabia)
Meisho (Japan)
Melisende (Kingdom of Jerusalem)
Munjeong (Korea)
Myeongseong (Korea)
Nang Keo Phimpha (Laos)
Nguyen Thi Anh (Vietnam)
Puduhepa (Hittites)
Pythodorida (Pontus)
Razia Sultana (India)
Rudrama Devi (India)
Salome Alexandra (Israel)
Seondeok (Korea)
Shammuramat (Assyria)
Shin Sawbu (Mon/possibly Burma)
Sibylla (Kingdom of Jerusalem)
Siti Wan Kembang (Malaysia)
Sorghaghtani Beki (Mongolia)
Suiko (Japan)
Sultan Shah Jahan, Begum of Bhopal (India)
Tamar (Georgia)
Taj ul-Alam (Aceh)
Tarabai (India)
Toregene Khatun (Mongolia)
Tribhuwana Wijayatunggadewi (Indonesia/Majapahit)
Trung Sisters (Vietnam)
Turhan Hatice Sultan (Ottomans)
Wu Zetian (China)
Y Lan (Vietnam)
Zenobia (Palmyra)

Europe:
Aethelflaed (England)
Amage (Scythia)
Amalasuntha (Goths)
Anna (Russia)
Anna Jagiellon (Poland)
Anne (England)
Anne of Austria (France)
Berengaria of Castile (Spain)
Boudica (Britons)
Cartimandua (Britons)
Catherine I (Russia)
Catherine II (Russia)
Catherine Cornaro (Cyprus)
Charlotte (Cyprus)
Christina (Sweden)
Constance, Queen of Sicily (Italy)
Dynamis (Bosporan Kingdom)
Eleanor of Aquitaine (England)
Eleanor of Arborea (Italy)
Elena Glinskaya (Russia)
Elizabeth (Russia)
Elizabeth I (England)
Grace O'Malley (Ireland)
Hedwig Eleonora (Sweden)
Helen (Bosnia)
Ingeborg of Norway (Sweden)
Irene of Athens (Byzantines)
Isabeau of Bavaria (France)
Isabela I of Castile (Spain)
Isabella II (Spain)
Isabella of France (England)
Jeanne d'Albret (Spain)
Joan II of Navarre (Spain)
Joanna of Castile (Spain)
Joanna I of Naples (Italy)
Leonor Teles (Portugal)
Luisa de Guzman (Portugal)
Margaret I (Denmark)
Maria I (Portugal)
Maria II (Portugal)
Maria Anna (Portugal)
Maria Theresa (Austria)
Marie de Medici (France)
Mary (Hungary)
Mary I (England)
Mary II (England)
Mary of Guise (Scotland)
Mary, Queen of Scots (Scotland)
Olga of Kiev (Russia)
Pulcheria (Byzantines)
Teresa of Leon (Portugal)
Teuta (Illyria)
Theodelinda (Lombards)
Theodora (Byzantines)
Theodora Porphyrogenita (Byzantines)
Ulpia Severina (Rome)
Ulrika Eleonora (Sweden)
Urraca of Leon (Spain)
Wilhelmina (Netherlands)
Zoe Porphyrogenita (Byzantines)

Oceania:
Liliuokalani (Hawaii)
Makea Takau Ariki (Cook Islands)
Pomare IV (Tahiti)
Purea (Tahiti)
Salamasina (Samoa)
Salote Tupou III (Tonga)
Temaeva V (Tahiti)
Tui Manu'a Matelita (Samoa)
Tupoumoheofo (Tonga)

 

[Morningcalm]

Very nice list! Now if only it had hyperlinks to useful websites with info (It's a minor thing I know, but I am reluctant to copy and paste each and every name I don't know in your post into Google).

(Hoping for Lady Six Sky for the Maya and Seondeok for Korea, with Queen Idia and Yaa Asantewaa for African warrior queens. )