Design: Units
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Kael
Deity
soibean said:
I agree with your take on the Khazad, strong on the siege units. The only one I dont like is the submersible, which I dont think the tech of the FfH world could manage. I prefer to let the aquatic creatures fill that role.
These I don't think fit in well. In the calabim culture the humans have to prove themselves on the battlefield to become vampires later, so that all of the vampires become fairly decent units, instead of introducing a weaker version.
The halfbreed is already covered by the Moroi.
The Courtesan is similiar to the proposed Seductress in flavor but doesnt steal units. I dont know that I would want to add another steal mechanic.
I like the troll a lot, if I could get a good model for it I would add it. There is already a breeding pit building in the game, and I dont picture the clan as strong in siege weapons so I probably wouldnt add another siege weapon for them.
Kael said:
add it as another upgrade for goblins, just make them both weaker than catapults with one causeing only a little collateral and the other causing only a little bombardment damage?
sappers-2% bombard, 5 collateral max (15% withdrawl)
current goblin weapon- 3 collateral max?
mmmm-
the avatar of fury?
starts with 50-80 strength
+with crazed, enraged
2 movement(without enraged)
1/3-1/2 chance to convert a defeated unit to be barbarian
does not effect disciple units, less chance to convert for units level 5+
loses 1 strength every other turn,
gains 1 strength for every xp earned
Sureshot
Goddess
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Is there any way to give some units an ability to "go rogue"?
Like for the werewolves, sometimes I end up with way too many to support so I just launch them at the nearest enemy and hope they die or disband them... but it'd be neat if instead one could send them into enemy lands and then abandon them (turning them into barbarians), making a kind of attack on your enemies and saving you the upkeep (though with the possibility of it backfiring and them coming back after you).
I was wondering about the Soldiers of Kilmorph... they have the Dwarven promotion but can't walk on peaks? Is that as its supposed to be? Just wondering because they have that double movement thing on peaks from Dwarven but can't actually get up there.
Like for the werewolves, sometimes I end up with way too many to support so I just launch them at the nearest enemy and hope they die or disband them... but it'd be neat if instead one could send them into enemy lands and then abandon them (turning them into barbarians), making a kind of attack on your enemies and saving you the upkeep (though with the possibility of it backfiring and them coming back after you).
I was wondering about the Soldiers of Kilmorph... they have the Dwarven promotion but can't walk on peaks? Is that as its supposed to be? Just wondering because they have that double movement thing on peaks from Dwarven but can't actually get up there.
thanks for your thoughts on the units
I never used the courtesan when offered the choice so I was unaware of their abilities
with the vampires, I was thinking of the lesser vampire to be a newly made vampire who is no were as powerful as those at the top of the aristocracy or whatever you consider the upper class. I was thinking that their powers improved over time.
the submersible was just a dwarven take at a legit ship. It wouldnt have great movement nor could it transport units but it would be powerful. I had been thinking of an ironclad when I came up with this obviously and thought it appropriate for the dwarven nations.
I never used the courtesan when offered the choice so I was unaware of their abilities
with the vampires, I was thinking of the lesser vampire to be a newly made vampire who is no were as powerful as those at the top of the aristocracy or whatever you consider the upper class. I was thinking that their powers improved over time.
the submersible was just a dwarven take at a legit ship. It wouldnt have great movement nor could it transport units but it would be powerful. I had been thinking of an ironclad when I came up with this obviously and thought it appropriate for the dwarven nations.
I don't know if this is the right place or not? I was playing a good game, and having some huge battles. Many many units dying on both sides. I was thinking it would be neat if there was a death mechanic. Say if 10 units died in any given tile that an undead barbarian would pop out. Battle Ghost...Skeleton..etc. Maybe if a three mages die in the same tile there's a chance of a liche, or revenant. Elves...banshees? I guess you could tie this mechanic to a wonder for ashen veil, or just a generic evil wonder as well.
Frozen-Vomit
Prince
In my last game i had to conquer big cities from the sea because it was far to dangerous to land any units on the dwarves continent because they had too many units 
The thing i really missed was a sort of cannonboat that can bombard city defenses.
My suggestion:
- A national sea unit that needs gunpowder and drydocks to be build.
- Can bombard city defenses and is stronger than queen of the line (maybe 10-12 iCombat.)
- Rather slow, only 3 points
- Called something like Cannonboat but with its origin city in the name.
The thing i really missed was a sort of cannonboat that can bombard city defenses.
My suggestion:
- A national sea unit that needs gunpowder and drydocks to be build.
- Can bombard city defenses and is stronger than queen of the line (maybe 10-12 iCombat.)
- Rather slow, only 3 points
- Called something like Cannonboat but with its origin city in the name.
Bad Player
Deity
Thief:
Str: 2; Can withdraw from combat (20%); starts with Flanking I and II.
When attacking a dragon, if Thief withdraws successfully (or wins combat) owner of Thief unit gains 50% of dragon owners gold from their treasury.
Note: I advise giving Thief a higher starting withdraw and then also Flanking I and II so that when they get all flanking promotions they only have a 90%/95% withdraw chance. This creates an anti-dragon unit without it being too cliche (e.g. Unit X gains +100% strength vs dragon units... bleh!).
Is there a design an unit competition I can enter Thief into?
Str: 2; Can withdraw from combat (20%); starts with Flanking I and II.
When attacking a dragon, if Thief withdraws successfully (or wins combat) owner of Thief unit gains 50% of dragon owners gold from their treasury.
Note: I advise giving Thief a higher starting withdraw and then also Flanking I and II so that when they get all flanking promotions they only have a 90%/95% withdraw chance. This creates an anti-dragon unit without it being too cliche (e.g. Unit X gains +100% strength vs dragon units... bleh!).
Is there a design an unit competition I can enter Thief into?
Bad Player said:
I wonder if the thief would actually let the owner know that he had stolen the dragon's gold...I know I wouldn't...I imagine the thief would simply steal the gold and disappear to spend it...on wine, women and whatever...I don't see a thief providing much benefit to the owner other than hurting the target
loki1232
Loki
Yes, we're working on that. It is annoying.evanb said:Today I had the time to play a game to the very end and I finally built a Meshabber of Dis. Let me say that I actually jumped off my chair (just a few cm
@frozen vomit
try arcane barges. They summon fireballs and can really hurt coastal enemy cities.
IMO the doviello would not be as skilled with bows, and they should get a slinger unit instead of an archer. (the t2 unit)
Kael
Deity
loki1232 said:
The Doviello cant build any archer units now. We will see about adding a slinger to them in 0.15.
Bad Player
Deity
Maybe Sheiam and the other dragon civ could build an armageddon-style building that releases dragons from their prison at the earth's core. The dragons will act as barbarians and won't be controlled by any civ, however the dragons won't attack Sheiam (or the other dragon civ).Starship said:
For vampires, what about (borrowing from Vampire game) Antediluvian vampires (national units)? It would fit the theme IMO.
I LOVE this mod, you have all done a fantastic job. But one thing that I've run into that seems to be a bit of a pain is dealing with enemy Shadows. The text for Saboteurs reads like they can see them but it doen't seem to work and when I combat an enemy with Shadows I end up creating a retinue of Scouts or other fodder so they don't kill my mages,etc. It works but it seems a bit silly and isn't much fun creating a bunch of T1 units.
My Saboteurs can't seem to see 'em, I guess the new Seeing Eye spell (or whichever it's called) will but is there any other way to combat them?
It also sounds like Marksmen will see them but I never seem to get them 'til much later since they appear to be much deeper in the tech tree.
Dunqan
My Saboteurs can't seem to see 'em, I guess the new Seeing Eye spell (or whichever it's called) will but is there any other way to combat them?
It also sounds like Marksmen will see them but I never seem to get them 'til much later since they appear to be much deeper in the tech tree.
Dunqan
Scouts don't see them. Scouts are simply used as cannon fodder to defend against their Marksman ability (they attack the weakest unit). So it's trivial to defeat the ability for a marching army, harder for an entire empire. But it's still annoying that other Shadows (now that Shadows and Saboteurs have been merged) can't seem to see them.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong to try and spot them but I ran a test using the new Floating Eye spell once I was attacked and I saw where the enemy Shadow unit was and then I reloaded the game before using the Floating Eye (which sees invisible) then moved my own Shadow into that spot but did not see the enemy Shadow unit. Is this a bug or does it take a turn to find them?
Dunqan
Maybe I'm doing something wrong to try and spot them but I ran a test using the new Floating Eye spell once I was attacked and I saw where the enemy Shadow unit was and then I reloaded the game before using the Floating Eye (which sees invisible) then moved my own Shadow into that spot but did not see the enemy Shadow unit. Is this a bug or does it take a turn to find them?
Dunqan
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
Kael said:
I was looking thru some of the new ideas in C/C and found this:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=174528,
i thought it was a great idea, screenshot on second page, about half way down, don't know if this would go in FfH or not, but damn good thought process????
Frozen-Vomit
Prince
loki1232 said:
I was already getting at the city with my archmages, not even 18 meteors in a turn made any difference to the defenders with the +120% city defense. Strangly the meteors were unable to soften the defenseses (always said "your meteor has reduced the city defense to 120%
). So I still vote for a big late game boat that can bombard cities as effectifly as cannons.
Silverkiss
NekoChan
Yeap, i would say a ship whit low movement speed (too big and heavy), lots of strength (lots of cannons, this ship will rule the seas) and a powerfull bombardment power equal to that of cannons.
