Development pre 1.6

gilgames

Priest-King

Dec 12, 2018

#1

I think its time to start a new thread to discus this new giant update and the further parches.

So i gave a quick shot for the new Byz uhv1.
It would be simply hard by itself, but the new increased unit cost ruin everything. I simply run out of gold, were at 0% and the game kept disbanding my army.

AbsintheRed

Deity

Dec 12, 2018

#3

gilgames said:
I think its time to start a new thread to discus this new giant update and the further parches.

Sure, this thread can be used for feedback too.

gilgames said:
So i gave a quick shot for the new Byz uhv1.
It would be simply hard by itself, but the new increased unit cost ruin everything. I simply run out of gold, were at 0% and the game kept disbanding my army.

Thanks, I was afraid this is the case.
But actually this is already an improved state for them.
Was even worse a couple days ago, so they got some extra starting markets.
But it seems some additional help is needed for them.

PS: Btw, while unit maintenance takes part in it too, the main economic burden for them comes from the civic changes.
City maintenance, primarily.

gilgames

Priest-King

Dec 13, 2018

#4

I know, the fact is: it was manageble. Now its not. Usually you went down with sience from100% to 50-30, and it creeped back to 70 over time. I was at 0% with -80 income.

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Mochi_Bun

Chieftain

Dec 14, 2018

#5

hi, sorry for newb question but where can i download 1.6 for play testing purposes?
i never play any rfc before it's "officially" released.

:goodjob:

AbsintheRed

Deity

Dec 14, 2018

#6

Mochi_Bun said:
hi, sorry for newb question but where can i download 1.6 for play testing purposes?
i never play any rfc before it's "officially" released.

It's only available through SVN.
Check this thread for details: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/svn-version.485431/

The full version is fairly close, but I still advise everyone to use the SVN version.
You have to do it once, then you will be always a couple clicks away from the latest (development) version.

caphyre

Chieftain

Dec 15, 2018

#7

I would like to suggest some fixes for RFCEMaps.py before the final release of the 1.6 version.

Spoiler Original name - fixed name (with comments) :

Names in [brackets] are the villages/cities which I have found and which are likely to be situated in that area. Names with question mark are just assumptions.

Spoiler RFCEMaps.py - Novgorod :

Spoiler RFCEMaps.py - Kiev :

Spoiler RFCEMaps.py - Muscovy :

I would like to expand this list westward though, but I don't know how to deal with it.

gilgames

Priest-King

Dec 15, 2018

#8

Respect dude, thats a serious work there. Appriciated.

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DC123456789

Deity

Dec 16, 2018

#9

How is the mercenary pool calculated? I noticed playing a couple of games as Genoa that the amount of hireable mercenaries can vary quite a bit from game to game, which does matter for Genoa at least since your UP and UHV dictate that you'll basically be hiring all the mercenaries you can get to rush Thrakesion against the Ottomans.

AbsintheRed

Deity

Dec 17, 2018

#10

caphyre said:
I would like to suggest some fixes for RFCEMaps.py before the final release of the 1.6 version.

Huge thanks, added those maps in the latest update!

caphyre said:
I would like to expand this list westward though, but I don't know how to deal with it.

The map and the provinces will be updated for 1.7, that will be one of the main aspects of the next version.
Mostly the NE part of the map needs updates, that's a longstanding debt from me.

Great to hear that you would like to further improve the maps!
You can easily improve/extend the maps from the WorldBuilder, but let's get back to this after 1.6 is released, and work is started on 1.7.

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DC123456789

Deity

Dec 17, 2018

#11

The first Genoan UHV checks in 1401, not 1400 (which isn't a turn at all), which is slightly annoying.

Also, it looks like the 3rd UHV checks for Banks, not the Genoa UB Genoan Banks, which probably makes it impossible.

AbsintheRed

Deity

Dec 17, 2018

#12

DC123456789 said:
The first Genoan UHV checks in 1401, not 1400 (which isn't a turn at all), which is slightly annoying.

Yeah, that's the case for many UHV dates.
When a UHV date is not the exact date of any turns, it checks on the closest one.

DC123456789 said:
Also, it looks like the 3rd UHV checks for Banks, not the Genoa UB Genoan Banks, which probably makes it impossible.

Thanks, fixed!

C

cmakk1012

Prince

Dec 18, 2018

#13

Alright, finally had a chance to update the mod and start playing! Will give more feedback as I go.

Started a Venice game and Byzantium declared war on me within the first few turns. Interesting...

gilgames

Priest-King

Dec 20, 2018

#14

yeah me too. I played a few game more likely started them.
In general you are forced to have -10% on tech compared to usual. If you have to conquer early on, you are screwed.

I've seen a wiered thing, germany went for war with nobody. since we were friends

and as an early attempt, i collapsed with Arabia. and the new starting stack is terrible. spears and axes are worthless.

here, i just kept losing cities due to stability.
The new arabian 1, uhv seems way too hard for me.

Baron03

Baron

Dec 20, 2018

#15

Attempted four Arabia games, and I think the first UHV is impossible with the current setup. The unhappiness, multiple religions, and culture penalties create an impossible situation for Arabia. If I try to go for it and conquer the Byzantine cities in Asia Minor (Antioch and Edessa), then stability falls up to a net of 20 points (usually falling 15-17) which starts the domino effect of cities declaring independence. Antioch is particularly difficult to hold due to its population and unhappiness penalties.

My first and second games: I had cities declare independence at +4 and +1 stability respectively. My third game was terrible as cities kept declaring independence and barbarians were able to take my remaining cities until I was left with Tripoli... Just Tripoli.

The fourth game I kept everything safe and abandoned the first UHV altogether; however, by 900AD my stability had fallen from solid to between +4 and +1 stable. I was limited from Tripoli to Damascus, but I did not collapse.

I'm not very good at playing the game, so is there something I am missing? I am producing culture in former Byzantine cities, building manors, and keeping happiness high.

Random issues:
Inquisitors are not very effective (I understand that the meanies concerning this were changed). Out of eight attempts, only once was I able to purge orthodoxy from one Arabian city.
The starting units for Arabia was adjusted to two horse archers, axemen, and spear men. All three are inferior to conquering Barca and Alexandria, which have two archers apiece defending. I think having four horse archers and one axemen and one spearman would be a little better, since a more mobile army would conquer North Africa faster. The horse archers are better than the other two starting units.

As far as adjustments for Arabia... Would any of these be possible?
Less religious instability with the Subjugation civic?
Spreading culture upon city conquest? I think this was previously discussed.
Having Alexandria flip to Arabia? I definitely support this for AI Arabia.

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cmakk1012

Prince

Dec 20, 2018

#16

I kind of like the idea @The Turk had of a special “imperial bureaucracy” civic for civs like the Byzantines and Arabs, probably unlocked with Classical Knowledge, that would allow them to own much larger territories and have larger armies than the smaller powers but would be less useful as the game goes on.

AbsintheRed

Deity

Dec 21, 2018

#17

The Arabs are not yet balanced for the new setup.
Also I did not change their starting units with this update. That's a much earlier change.
Those will have to be adjusted once again, along with quite a few other things.

Spreading religion and purging it might have a little too low chance atm.

AbsintheRed

Deity

Dec 21, 2018

#18

cmakk1012 said:
Started a Venice game and Byzantium declared war on me within the first few turns. Interesting...

I don't expect this to be related to the new updates.
Rather a random war thing, happened to show up in your first game with the new version.
I don't think this is a common thing with Venetian starts.

gilgames said:
I've seen a wiered thing, germany went for war with nobody. since we were friends

Those units are locked in with your cultural borders.
Probably set out against another civ/city, then you cancelled open borders with them.

gilgames

Priest-King

Dec 21, 2018

#19

I had OB with germany, we were friends...
They roamed the region for 20 turns, then go ne

I belive this byz dow on venice is highly related to the new version and their new uhv or warmap. Maje sense.

AbsintheRed

Deity

Dec 21, 2018

#20

gilgames said:
I had OB with germany, we were friends...
They roamed the region for 20 turns, then go ne

I belive this byz dow on venice is highly related to the new version and their new uhv or warmap. Maje sense.

That did not change either

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