I would agree with most that @Lily_Lancer is trolling. Lately he hasn't really made any informative or strategic posts, which is a shame. He used to post some really valuable information, but nowadays he mostly ridicules players for not playing Deity. I wish he'd return to posting more productively. They're slightly better at defending cities. That's literally all there is to it. I have Vanilla still on my other PC and play it every now and then. It's actually harder in some regard, because R&F and GS introduced so many beneficial mechanics for the player. Absolutely nothing has changed in most regards. They're not more aggressive nor more likely to win the game. I am your cousin, spiritually. And yes, I don't always have fun. Civ only really became fun for me when I heavily modded Civ 5. And in the beginning of course, when there was still challenge. Ask yourself this: How much fun is there playing against a chess computer when you know for a fact that the chess computer is programmed to never win? There is very little fun in that. And that's Civ 6 for ya. The AI is programmed to **** around for 300 turns so that almost everyone can finish the game in time. I haven't lost a single game on Deity in either 5 or 6 (after getting gutted initially by Deity AI in 5. Took me about 4 or 5 tries to win I think). I keep asking for people to post impossible starts, but it never happens. Even when I commit to not-rerolling, not reloading, not exploiting the AI, I still finish around T200-T250. I think that is just your experience. Also, you take offense at mechanics like chopping, when for me chopping is "going with the flow". I'm pretty sure people have won Deity with a single city, which is suboptimal in literally every single regard. So yeah, "optimal" play is not necessary for Emperor, Immortal, nor Deity. My first game in Civ 6 was on Emperor, my second on Deity, both were won without minmaxing or trying very hard. I had no prior knowledge of game mechanics or strats. But as you say correctly, a lot of things carry over. Civ 6 is not that different from Civ 5. No offense, but when people say something like "a lot of Deity players reroll and save scum!!" you are just rationalizing your own failure. It's okay to not play at Deity, honestly Deity isn't much harder than Emperor or Immortal. It's just artificial difficulty. But when you say stuff like that, you make your own position less belieable. Plenty of players win Deity without save-scumming or rerolling maps, it's not that hard when you already know the strategies and the mechanisms of the AI. Civ has zero mechanical skill involved, so it all boils down to knowledge and decisionmaking.