Diplomatic Relations

[Admiral Kutzov]

BTW, I'm on AIM with fe and just told him

provo thinks I'm an out of control adolescent with raging hormones that has no ability to do anything constructive

 

[Kickbooti]

BTW, I'm on AIM with fe and just told him

provo thinks I'm an out of control adolescent with raging hormones that has no ability to do anything constructive

I'm looking at that statement and thinking to myself, How dare he call you an adolescent! Scandelous, simply scandelous

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Heh, AK an adolescent. AK may be immature, but he's not a "delinquent kangaroo".

While reading one of those messages, it almost seemed like he thinks the two continents haven't met AT ALL. If that's so...

 

[Daghdha]

This was in my mailbox, from Provo. Haven't answered yet:

Spoiler :

Team TNT also want this stated Team KISS policy to end, permanently, as stated by Admiral Kutzow

the simple people of TeamKISS have designated the more talkative of us to speak formally in future diplomacies. however, being anarchists, we're too disorganized to limit discussion when not in formal negotiations. therefore we present a worst case scenario to open discussion - active stupid people with long memories.

He serves you no good, and you would be best off presenting a disclaimer he did not represent your team, as some teammember of us where worried by at the chat.

I do not know if this qualifies to "those who are dumb enough to kill diplomacy 40 turns into the game should be killed" Did you mean us, Admiral Kutzow, or in general. A disclaimer would be in place.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

I've got to agree with him that we need a disclaimer over this, and with all due respect to the Admiral, where's his leash ?

 

[soul_warrior]

what made me laugh is the "he serves you no good"
and i totaly agree with the "worst case scenario to open discussion - active stupid people with long memories."

if i have anything to do with it.... santions will be.

and YES, i will keep this under lids.
and MORE SO, im basically like an elephant - I NEVER FORGET.....

now, how about an idea?
why dont we just drop the "we cant stand that P. or his team" agree on it that we probably wont be friends, and pass on to better and smarter things?

wwe've what? spent 5 pages just ventng at TNT....
we need to relax a bit....

remember, REVENGE IS A DISH BEST DERVED COLD.
and we WILL have revenge!!!

 

[Daghdha]

Agree w Soul Brother here. Let's stay dudes. Now, I take it Captain Curragh had done some "Bad Copping" on AIM, I will therefore do some "Good Copping" in my reply. I may even hint at us having internal "problems" .

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

My god! do I sense those problems are taking a heavy toll on us

 

[Daghdha]

I can barely get my fingers to type under the burden of this civil war .
A more serious point. I don't think we should burn our ships vs. TNT (or any other team) by slinging too much mud. If they refuse to do diplo we have one less string to pull and that's bad IMHO. I don't know about any "disclaimer" since I'm not aware of what has been said on AIM, but I will tell him the bulk of the team wishes nothing but good relations w TNT in the future and that we will consider restricting in-game diplo to people they feel comfortable with.
When we're finished licking up, we will harmonize their blue butts

Here's my answer to the PM above:

Spoiler :

Hi P
The "Idiocy policy" is of course a toung in cheek thing and should not be taken too seriously. Having said that, we as a team are, on the whole, not too happy about how some members of KISS have acted in public threads. I would like to stress that so TNT, as a team, do not see those posts as "official". We will also take steps to ensure that, when in-game mechanics allow, our possible negotiators are not the ones we're talking about here. Who knows, it might be a Blind Rat .
The "killing diplomacy"-statement was only in reference to your own whish that the turbulence that was/is shouldn't "kill diplomacy". I fully agree because I blieve it to be unwise to let that happen.

All the Best
Daghie

I misunderstood the AIM part but that's sorted out and it doesn't change things.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I Captain Idiot, do hereby pledge to not post anything in a public forum without the prior consent of 2 other team members.

For the record, i had a bad day, I'd been drinking, and it was fun.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

How about this idea. Why don't we begin a boycott of anything to do with TNT. We'll just go completely silent. They talk. We don't say a thing. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. That should play with their minds a bit.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

@ bugs - I like it

 

[gmaharriet]

I agree. It seems only to serve as another excuse for yet another rant.

BTW, I have not replied to him only with the most agonizing difficulty. Have requested husband to put Crazy Glue on my fingers.

 

[soul_warrior]

yeah, we likeee bugsy ideeee
dun we, daffer?

same here AK, i think its a bad moon alignment or something.
havent been sober since thursday night....
well, excepting work hours, but i do have some bills to pay...
and you can really down the booze when you start at 6 pm.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

This sort of like when we went into a town back in high school, and a restuarant wouldn't serve our two black players. The whole team got up and walked out. Since Provo, doesn't want to talk with the Admiral regardless of his state of sobriety, he doesn't get to talk to any of us.

 

[Daghdha]

I've read elsewhere that provo is readily giving away info when you hook him up in conversations. Well, maybe he is:

Spoiler :

Re: Off Record, the pun

Originally Posted by Provolution

hehehe

off-record

You missed the pun

Kiss at the bottom LOL

You're lightening up a bit

You should have known our internal situation as well, has been many internal issues, not to mention polls/repolls. It was a technical error that lead to the F11 pop switches, which you will find out later, but we feel honored about the palace jump allegations.

I actually never heard about it before.

Problem is you let Team Doughnut we had messed up, when they checked themselves. I hope we avoid analyzing each other in public threads in the future.

Hi P
I for one have no insight in the internal situation of team TNT whatsoever so...we couldn't know about that. Neither did we know that the f11 wasn't constantly checked by every other team (including Nutters of course). We thought that was basics, honestly. With that kept in mind (if you believe me) we had no intentions analyzing your whereabouts in public. We went to admins, as you know, first and did not press them to go official in any way. When they did, we still thought about it as common knowledge coming from the f11. The comments made explicitly about the alledged jump was not seen as a disclosure of secrets, but as an open discussion, albeit a bit too plump, about your action and in reference to the rule set.
Please don't bring this up again as if we did something to ruin your position because that will also be clear when threads are open. If, I say if, the time comes when we have such intentions, we will be far more straightforward.
I just, for a moment, thought it was nice of you to be a bit more cheerful. That's all...

Best Regards
Daghie

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[Mistfit]

I like the idea of ignoring him... Do we vote on it as policy?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

not yet

 

[Whomp]

We need to put something in MIA's mailbox about how to negotiate with Donut.

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You have just entered room "chat35095448070236016045."
fe3333au: As usuall I have barely connected ... so am ignorant ... blissfully me thinks ;-)
bawhomp: Donut wants 3 techs for writing.
EmperorNapoloen: no way
fe3333au: From KISS?
bawhomp: from you
bawhomp: extortion
fe3333au: what techs?
bawhomp: wc, cb and ..?bw? is that right ken?
Kentharu1: yes i think so
Kentharu1: i know so, grr stupid guessing
bawhomp: we are likely less than 8 from writing.
Kentharu1: its in the foriegn ministry so fe can check out the original
fe3333au: I am opening a thread which may have this info
Skippyshutt: our suggestion to tell them to "sod off" (hopefully i used that in the correct context) but not tell them why
fe3333au: WC, Wheel and Ceremonial Burial
bawhomp: extortion.
bawhomp: unless
Kentharu1: indeed, sod off correct
bawhomp: they want help slingin' th republic.
EmperorNapoloen: indeed
EmperorNapoloen: but then that means they are not planning to got o war
fe3333au: It will have to be discussed ... however my instructions were 2 techs at the most ... and noone said anything different
fe3333au: So CB is very important to them?
Skippyshutt: @ all talk about geography, ie the gaps brb
bawhomp: we hit the northern coast of the other continenet
fe3333au: see anything interesting ... burning effergies marked KISS and MIA perhaps ;-)
bawhomp: nothing yet
bawhomp: I think in 2 or 3 more would be my guess.
fe3333au: Then they will approach you for a deal
bawhomp: Could you tell Donut you don't need it unless they want help for a slingshot?
bawhomp: you will know everything
Skippyshutt: back, have to go soon (after the next beer)
bawhomp: 3 minutes?
EmperorNapoloen: don't drink and ISDG
bawhomp: lol
Skippyshutt: lol
fe3333au: A deal with D-Nuts would be put this to the team ... however it is a decision that will need to be discussed by team and probably next Foreign Minister
Skippyshutt: thought this was MTDG, not ISDG, my bad
EmperorNapoloen: it is MTDG, my bad
fe3333au: But would not hard ball be the way to go?
Skippyshutt: lol
Skippyshutt: don't think u need to make it hard ball. just say no and let them wonder
fe3333au: We have what they are desparate for
bawhomp: @ Fe I think you should tell them you don't need it unless they want help to slingshot.
fe3333au: I was thinking as soon as we get writing from them ... then we could together study the relivant techs? ... what are they btw?
Skippyshutt: @ fe, so make them pay
bawhomp: what if they are already headed towards philo though
Kentharu1: you mean what civ?
EmperorNapoloen: I saw prevent all slingshots, we want them to go to war to waste resorces
fe3333au: Then they are fools to study passive techs with TNT sharing the continent
EmperorNapoloen: Republic means peace
EmperorNapoloen: Monarchy means war
EmperorNapoloen: simple as tha
bawhomp: maybe they don't know
fe3333au: No I don't recall what techs we need for Philo
bawhomp: writing
fe3333au: that it?
bawhomp: writing goes to CoL and Philo
bawhomp: map making writing
bawhomp: not writing lit
Skippyshutt: agreed
Skippyshutt: agreed
EmperorNapoloen: didn't they give us a tech list
fe3333au: so for philo need writing (which they have had for a while) and also map Majking?
Skippyshutt: no just writing
bawhomp: no writing opens the tree to a bunch of things
bawhomp: philo, CoL, lit, Map make
fe3333au: *Please excuse my soft thinking ... medication for allergies have given me cotton wool head
fe3333au: I see so they could be almost finished Philo
bawhomp: true
fe3333au: Assuning that they are probably going to win any race
bawhomp: but if you tell them you don't need writing it might lead them to believe that you know someone with it
fe3333au: They can see we don't have it though
bawhomp: but you'll get it soon cheaper than 3 techs
fe3333au: and they also believe that we are not on the best of terms cos we got pottery from them
Skippyshutt: but u will. idiots word of honor
fe3333au: I thinking from D-Nut pov
fe3333au: So I do not believe that the slingshot will be agreed to
bawhomp: They have no idea and I wouldn't tell them. How forthright have they been?
bawhomp: not at all methinks
fe3333au: They are playing it as they did before ...
fe3333au: What are your thoughts Ken and Emp?
bawhomp: so tell them you don't need it....it will freak them out.
bawhomp: then say you would consider it for wheel but only if you can sling with them
fe3333au: I believe reading the beginning that we are unanimous about not agreeeing to the present deal
EmperorNapoloen: but we don't want them to sling, we want war
EmperorNapoloen: or waste money slinging themselves
Skippyshutt: them with tnt
EmperorNapoloen: yes
fe3333au: We can only do dances and sacrifice chickens to get war happening
fe3333au: We can perhaps ask if they have met TNT
Skippyshutt: ask them what they are researching before u make a deal
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: Emp would be controling that negotiation ...
EmperorNapoloen: or the new ambassador
Skippyshutt: gonna miss u fe
EmperorNapoloen: but we will get something done
Kentharu1: oh yea lol, your running
bawhomp: you guys need to transition this thing.
EmperorNapoloen: yea, and winning
fe3333au: Agreed ... but I have 1 turn left ... and team will need to discuss best stance
Skippyshutt: we the simple people have back channel communications for idiots (moi) and those who can speak with wisdom
fe3333au: I can readily say that this deal will not be accepted
Skippyshutt: which deal
EmperorNapoloen: the bs one
Skippyshutt: from the nuts
Kentharu1: yup
Skippyshutt: k
Meleagerster has entered the room.
fe3333au: Hi Mel
Meleagerster: hi
Kentharu1: yo mel
bawhomp: Hi Mel
fe3333au: We are discussing the D-Nut proposal
Skippyshutt: Hi M, I'm slow. your resume?
Skippyshutt: or portfolio?
fe3333au: And are very much against accepting it as it stands ...Writing for WC, Wheel and CB
bawhomp: OK so I would start low and move up if it were me. Then I would find out what they are researching...you tell them what you are researching.
bawhomp: Why would you when you'll have it in less than 8 turns but they don't need to know how many. PRESSURE THEM!
bawhomp: Sorry
fe3333au: Yes ... basically follow the guidelines I set out initially ...
bawhomp: wanted to wake up Emp.
Skippyshutt: fe, we didn't see your guidelines
fe3333au: It was basically to get as much info from them before we talked tech trade
EmperorNapoloen: PARENTS ALET
bawhomp: uhoh
bawhomp: hide!
Skippyshutt: great old minds think alike. lol
fe3333au: What you researching, have you met TNT, etc ... and honestly swapping the info
fe3333au: I then though because initially they were at war ... to trade them WC and Wheel for Writing
fe3333au: NO way Wheel and IW
bawhomp: yeah they can't be too picky with who they are sharing a continent
Skippyshutt: @ M, u just lurking (which is fine), but we'd like to know your status
fe3333au: and no more than 2 techs
fe3333au: Mel is from KISS
fe3333au: sorry I was the inviter
Skippyshutt: really?
bawhomp: Maybe wheel to force them to their UU?
fe3333au: Yes ... Meleager
bawhomp: Mel is on MIA
EmperorNapoloen: OK, so we are just gonna say that for that price, it is not worth it since we will get it soon. But if they lowered it we might consdier it, since it will speed up the process
fe3333au: slap head ... did I mention soft thinking
Meleagerster: Yes I am MIA, just watching
fe3333au: sorry for confusion
Meleagerster: playing mind games with me
bawhomp: the only caveat I would add is if they want you to sling with them. if not stick it up their butt.
Skippyshutt: before u do that, emp, ask what CB is worth as a stand alone trade
Skippyshutt: @ m, whomp does that to me too
bawhomp: dogs..sorry brb...kinda like homework
Meleagerster: @ Skippy, they like to keep us on edge
Skippyshutt: evil aren't they?
fe3333au: They only have writing to trade ... as they appear on our trade screen ... and barb poping would give level 1 techs before anything else
Skippyshutt: brb, one more beer
fe3333au: I feel that if they don't answer what tech they are studying ... strong indicator that it is Philo
Kentharu1: and that they have no other techs
fe3333au: yes
Kentharu1: so they are screwed is we (KISS and MIA) continue this wonderful relationship
Skippyshutt: agree
Meleagerster: almost as crazy as jumping your capitol this early
fe3333au: ;-)
fe3333au: Its a zany place this other continemt ... must be the water
fe3333au: or some fungal spore ;-)
EmperorNapoloen: yea, the got provo-itis
Skippyshutt: OT - @ fe - I got moderator actioned for my comments vis a vi he who shall not be named, thus my relative silence in the public forums. u handled him very weill
fe3333au: Avctually while we are waiting ... KISS did you receive that jpeg from TNT about the red work booted girl selling cigs?
EmperorNapoloen: too many pictures
fe3333au: Yeah ... it became a personal thing about ettiquette
fe3333au: thanks
EmperorNapoloen: and parents think it is every weird with those photos....
Skippyshutt: she's hot
fe3333au: I PMed GA, RM and Rik to explain myself as well and was willing to take a hit as well
fe3333au: Did you receive that before I posted it?
Skippyshutt: no
fe3333au: Thought so ... It suspect only sent to us turn early in game
fe3333au: all his no communication before meeting bs
Skippyshutt: re provo, if u read his current posts, he's trying to grow a sense of humor
EmperorNapoloen: ignore provo, he has many tricks
fe3333au: at the same time we all thought it was fun to anylise
EmperorNapoloen: read the ISDG, he is very interesting
fe3333au: He has been muzzled with the new rule about talking nice or get banned
Skippyshutt: where's that? rik's post about thundrfall?
fe3333au: As a strategist I think he is good ... He hid the capital move very well and honestly think it was not deliberate ploy as he considered F-11 as not part of game
fe3333au: YES RIK post
EmperorNapoloen: YESS RIK in general
fe3333au: I had another thought about renaming ... if open slather is permitted it will virtually make espionage obsolete
Skippyshutt: here at Kiss we sacrifice to rik daily
Skippyshutt: my thoughts are in the thread
EmperorNapoloen: yes, eventualy we are gonna get the head of provo on a silver plater
fe3333au: We too have a Meleet the great creator cult ;-)
Skippyshutt: hehe
Meleagerster: I cant believe that the rik herasy has spread... the rng is the true god
Skippyshutt: lol
Kentharu1: and the sacrifical 2 headed sheep
Skippyshutt: no more sheep lol
fe3333au: Mel is a heretic ... however at this juncture we allow free worship in MIA
EmperorNapoloen: we can be polythistic, Rik and rng
fe3333au: I suspect although have no proff that Mel defaced RIK's temple
bawhomp: i'm back.
Skippyshutt: in the spirit of our cooperative (fu provo) I'm going to share. be patient, this will be lots of typing
fe3333au: Hi whomp just deiscussing religion
Meleagerster: hey... i just found the temple like that
Meleagerster: and it looks better that way
Skippyshutt: whomp I'm telling on provo
fe3333au: sculking around at the hour before dawn eh?
Meleagerster: i was going to the compolsory worship ofcourse
fe3333au: OT ... Mel we got some strong winds in TAs ... what about you?
Meleagerster: no winds... just humidity... summer is comming
Meleagerster: getting our first storms too
Meleagerster: might actually get some rain this year
fe3333au: Pissind down here later ... I predict 30mins
bawhomp: Beautiful in Chicago today....so where were we>
bawhomp: ?
Skippyshutt: provo admited that they were pissed we picked up on the loss of status, but then said it was becasue they made some kind of mistake and that it was not intended to be a palace jump. they we're po'd because we basically gave it to
Skippyshutt: the nuts.
bawhomp: huh?
bawhomp: that was not our fault. it was the admins asking to discuss it.
fe3333au: Shippy suspects that Provo was aware of f-11 so renaming was to conceal palace jump from D-Nuts
Skippyshutt: but i got the gist right
fe3333au: So why are D-Nuts not scared??
bawhomp: I see...well they were aware or else it wouldn't have taken a day and a half to play the save.
Skippyshutt: what civ r the nuts again?
Meleagerster: the d-nuts have an army
bawhomp: iroq.
Skippyshutt: and what civ r tnt
bawhomp: persian
bawhomp: Mel why do you say an army?
fe3333au: D-Nuts have army?
Skippyshutt: immortals v. IW. who wins a war?
bawhomp: MW's
Skippyshutt: bingo
bawhomp: but they don't have their UU
bawhomp: no wheel no hbr
fe3333au: MW's ???
bawhomp: they don't even know where they should plant a city for their uu
Skippyshutt: not until MIA trades 3 techs for writing and slings them to HBR
Meleagerster: their building up military for some reason --> war
bawhomp: Mounted Warriors
sixpackholiday has entered the room.
fe3333au: Yes ... Nuts are building up an army of spears to protect cities me thinks
bawhomp: this is daghdha
sixpackholiday: Hi there
fe3333au: Hi
bawhomp: ahhh my eyes!!!
Meleagerster: hi
bawhomp: turn it off daghie!!
Skippyshutt: you'll go blind
sixpackholiday: sorry.....?
sixpackholiday: better
bawhomp: no it's the sixpackholiday that's killing me.
fe3333au: its ok you are blinding blue atm
Skippyshutt: summarizing to make sure we're all on the same page
bawhomp: why do you think they are building spears?
bawhomp: if they are anticipating war they need their UU fast wouldn't you say?
fe3333au: They have BW
fe3333au: They don't have wheel
bawhomp: right so how about this...
Skippyshutt: nuts want wheel to run to HBR to make war on TNT. give them wheel for writing. we'll go philo u go CoL. then we'll rep slinger?
fe3333au: And our mil is weak c/- to Nuts
bawhomp: you took the words out of my mouth
fe3333au: I'd even add WC perhaps
fe3333au: if they are nice
Skippyshutt: nuts go no boats no worries
fe3333au: They have boats
Skippyshutt: they have mm?
bawhomp: curraghs not galleys
fe3333au: thats how we met and how you will meet with them soon
Skippyshutt: then they can't tranport
fe3333au: true ... no one can atm
Skippyshutt: need galley to transport
EmperorNapoloen: parents catching on, gotta go
Skippyshutt: cya
bawhomp: hide!
fe3333au: see ya emp
bawhomp: cya emp!
EmperorNapoloen has left the room.
sixpackholiday: you fear they will go MM then jump you?
fe3333au: not us ... foolish move if they do
Skippyshutt: us too
bawhomp: lets go back to this...
bawhomp: kippyshutt: nuts want wheel to run to HBR to make war on TNT. give them wheel for writing. we'll go philo u go CoL. then we'll rep slinger?
fe3333au: sounds good idea
bawhomp: they go get hbr and we give them republic maybe?
bawhomp: maybe...
Skippyshutt: shall we draw up formal agreement/
bawhomp: well MIA has to propose it to donut
Skippyshutt: fe if u can, who will be your successor?
fe3333au: post it to us ... as I mentioned whole team will need to discuss ...easier if it is a proposal from you
bawhomp: Do you follow the logic?
bawhomp: Ken? Mel? you two following too?
fe3333au: You will find out next turn ... he was or is apart of this discussion
Skippyshutt: ah good
Meleagerster: i dont think they will trade writting for wheel
bawhomp: why not?
bawhomp: they are not dealing from a strength
bawhomp: they need horses for their UU....now!
sixpackholiday: they asked 3 techs 4 writing IIRC
bawhomp: they're nuts... remember?
sixpackholiday: lol
Meleagerster: exactly
fe3333au: I am willing to go as far as give them 2 techs
Kentharu1: im going to have to leave soon
Kentharu1: more like right now
fe3333au: but not upto me ... I feel that MIA will agree to that as it has been mentioned before
bawhomp: Start with wheel and say you really don't need writing right now
Meleagerster: evil bartering tricks you do to chinese merchants?
bawhomp: then move up to the 2nd tech.
fe3333au: and then give WC instead of CB
bawhomp: why not?
Skippyshutt: and we'll talk more later. I have to go too
fe3333au: cya
Kentharu1: c ya guys
Kentharu1 has left the room.

 

[Whomp]

Part II

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Skippyshutt has left the room.
fe3333au: or would you say CB instead of WC ... what id the most precious
Meleagerster: i have to check ... but is WC a prequeisit of HBR?
bawhomp: it's up to you guys but I would wheel then WC. CB could be valuable for a monopoly.
bawhomp: both are mel
bawhomp: wc and wheel.
fe3333au: WC is barracks yees?
bawhomp: WC is archers
Meleagerster: then i think they would be happier with wc and wheel then wheel and cb
sixpackholiday: Interesting to see what kind of tone they will have towards us...They should be up by us soon right?
bawhomp: i'd think so....btw how did my color go pink?
bawhomp: we will meet tnt soon too.
fe3333au: So Wheel and WC for Writing ... as soon as MIA get Writing
fe3333au: and btw ... whomp your words are the same colour as your name now
fe3333au: sixpoack your words are green
sixpackholiday: they're Celtic ;-)
Meleagerster: nice to know its not just me
fe3333au: I would not be fluffy with our negotiations either
bawhomp: the wheel first.
fe3333au: So I will invite them to chat
bawhomp: for writing....then wc for what are they researching
fe3333au: dependent on the other
bawhomp: I think we need to know our chances of a slingshot.
fe3333au: ie. if they disagree with both ... then no deal? ... Don't know if I like that
bawhomp: if they go philo after writing then we have no shot.
bawhomp: They can't protect themselves if they don't
fe3333au: I you were d-nuts would you go for such a deal?
bawhomp: then we get writing in less than 8
fe3333au: *If you were ...
bawhomp: If I thought someone else was going to sell writing i would
Meleagerster: writting and say, philospohy, are worth much more in beakers then WC and wheel
fe3333au: Yes ... poker game it is
sixpackholiday: Do we think they would like some "help" w clearing their continent? If so, they might be interestred in a 3 way deal
bawhomp: 3 way deal could work like this...
bawhomp: They give writing.
bawhomp: MIA and KISS research CoL and philo
bawhomp: Donut researches hbr and voila...their UU is in hand.
fe3333au: I think they are almost complete with Philo
bawhomp: then they screwed up.
fe3333au: Reason ... after writing which they had when we met
bawhomp: they could've brought you in and did the sling.
bawhomp: could've gone lit for the GLib too.
fe3333au: They wre too arogant with 3 techs for writing
fe3333au: as they are now
bawhomp: It's a bad way of dealing.
bawhomp: Opportunity lost.
fe3333au: Great Library will take a lot of time and will not be hidden
bawhomp: SGL
fe3333au: yeah keep forgetting about that possibility
Meleagerster: they need to get one first
bawhomp: Writing
fe3333au: so you think that they got SL with Writing?
bawhomp: Maybe
bawhomp: could be why they are treating you like ****
fe3333au: it is a strong possibility
Meleagerster: not strong
bawhomp: If it's the reason then they want to find us fast!
fe3333au: Why negotiate as they are then?
sixpackholiday: again, we'll see if their arrogance prevails when we meet them
fe3333au: Yeah ... move some of your guys to the coast
bawhomp: they need military and their UU.
sixpackholiday: will tell if they have a pre set idea of alliances or if they have that SGL
fe3333au: I like the MIA take a strong stance
fe3333au: with negotiations
fe3333au: and KISS can be a gooder cop
bawhomp: Sure.
bawhomp: But tell them there are other opportunities.
bawhomp: If they're interested.
fe3333au: I don't want to hint at us sharing beds
sixpackholiday: What would you consider a gooder cop fe?
bawhomp: I understand but they don't know if you know TNT either
sixpackholiday: no hints
fe3333au: Be more open and use a softer approach to get a deal
bawhomp: agreed but find out why they are treating you this way first.
fe3333au: They want allies ... and the way thay treat us ... they think thay are better
bawhomp: but no one can win by themselves.
Meleagerster: maybe they are allied with TNT..... scary
sixpackholiday: wont get any that way
sixpackholiday: i don't think so
fe3333au: Would you trust Provo at your back?
sixpackholiday: tnt aka provo is to stirred up about nuts getting info on mistake
Meleagerster: he could be different in game to how he is in the forums
Meleagerster: thats true, didn't think about that
bawhomp: No one on his team has stepped up to him.
sixpackholiday: they're prolly afraid of nutters
bawhomp: Daghie and I told AK to shut up....and it worked. lol
bawhomp: Should we summarize?
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: You will send us a proposal
bawhomp: How about a couple options.
sixpackholiday: and we maximise secrecy about our working relation
bawhomp: Don't let them bully you.
fe3333au: yes ... we only say that we have met KISS if they tell us that thay have met TNT
fe3333au: Hardball
sixpackholiday: The big green machines should not be messed with LOL
bawhomp: They want it that way from the sounds of it and I would let them know your disappointment so far.
fe3333au: Writing for Wheel and perhaps WC ... I'd say Wheel but upto the concensus of team
bawhomp: I think wheel helps them.
bawhomp: A lot.
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: Horses are absolutely needed by them now.
sixpackholiday: They wanna see those goats for settling, right
bawhomp: They need to plant a city so they can get horsies.
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: all right we'll write somthing up for you
bawhomp: they need WC and wheel for HBR.
fe3333au: we will only add another tech to deal if perhaps they tell us what they are researching
bawhomp: what they are researching and if they're interested in slinging?
bawhomp: then I would open discussion to have all 3 of us sling before TNT can get out of a despot.
Meleagerster: let me get this right... you will offer writing for wheel (theres no way they will take that), then you will offer another tech but only if they tell us what they are reashearching
Meleagerster: but you i mean us
fe3333au: yes ... however if an agreement means no selling tech to others maybe a prob
bawhomp: do they know how soon you will get writing?
Meleagerster: the problem is they probobly wont tell us what they are reashearching
fe3333au: no they don't
bawhomp: There you go.
bawhomp: 1 tech.
fe3333au: Actually we can say that we will get writing soon ... and that is no lie
bawhomp: absolutely
fe3333au: sound ummm sound
bawhomp: They should know it's in their best interest to cooperate with this continent.
sixpackholiday: If they play hardball w you and with us they're signing their doom
bawhomp: What Daghie said.
fe3333au: What you think Mel?
Meleagerster: they dont seem to think they have to negotiate with us
Meleagerster: sorry... dont have to
bawhomp: I would start the conversation by saying you don't need writing but are interested in a slingshot.
Meleagerster: i think we are best to start by showing our hand... show them how much better our possition is then theirs
bawhomp: then say to get the slingshot you are willing to give wheel
Meleagerster: they seem to think that they are in the best possition for trade
Meleagerster: prove them wrong
Meleagerster: we could even tell them about the KISS relationship
sixpackholiday: I'd guess they've made up their sorry minds on dealing w us
sixpackholiday: No. don't tell
bawhomp: I would do that if they're willing to slingshot.
sixpackholiday: hrmmm
Meleagerster: what andvantage do we get by keeping the relationship secret?
bawhomp: The advantage is they don't know what you know.
sixpackholiday: In the longer run it could be useful. If we keep looking on this that way
sixpackholiday: as a long relation in a long game
fe3333au: They have to prove that they are worthy to be friends ... and that maens trust
bawhomp: exactly
Meleagerster: they simply wont understand the true meaning of what we are offering
Meleagerster: its not just some techs... its the possibility of a three way relationship
sixpackholiday: What Bede said in our first meeting: a secure continent with complementary units
fe3333au: But as far s they are concerned we are researching writing and will get is soon anyway
bawhomp: Mel I think a three way is best and there's way to do that.
bawhomp: But it's in steps.
fe3333au: We will have to take that when it comes ... requires a big s-way chat
fe3333au: *3-way
bawhomp: They need us two more than we need them.
fe3333au: yes
Meleagerster: but they dont know that
bawhomp: Then they don't know TNT.
sixpackholiday: we're supposed to be the idiots here
bawhomp: shhh..
Meleagerster: as far as they are concerened they may think they are in the better barganing possition
fe3333au: So do you have any units near the coast so you can expigate a meeting with Nuts?
fe3333au: But they don't know how close to Writing we are
fe3333au: The reason we contacted them was to talk trade
fe3333au: So we initiated it
fe3333au: Here is Wheel what will you give for it
Meleagerster: we contacted them... we need them.... that may be how it comes accross
bawhomp: I would start by saying you'll have writing soon so what will you offer for wheel?
sixpackholiday: @M, it might
fe3333au: We can also say that we have heard disturbing rumours from across the pond
fe3333au: and are worried about D-Nut's health
bawhomp: exactly. ask what they think happened.
sixpackholiday: the infamous f11 barbarian
fe3333au: he he he
bawhomp: Conan.
Meleagerster: they will probobly reply with "huh?"
bawhomp: 7 tiles mean anything to you?
sixpackholiday: a big difference btw a crafty jump and a misclick
bawhomp: you = donut
fe3333au: military build up as well
bawhomp: and would they like help.
Meleagerster: yess the military build up is by doughnut
Meleagerster: for all we know TNT is weak
bawhomp: ask
sixpackholiday: that's the way to go. When we meet them we'll let you know about their behaviour. Gotta go now
fe3333au: yep ... so next step is probably organise a chat with them
fe3333au: cya
sixpackholiday: talk to ya later on, been a pleasure
Meleagerster: lots to ponder
bawhomp: yes. we will send you some of the idas.
bawhomp: bye daghie.
sixpackholiday: bye 'yall
sixpackholiday has left the room.
fe3333au: cya
Meleagerster: cya
fe3333au: whomp that would be good
fe3333au: I will summarise this chat on the thread
bawhomp: ok will do. remember they need us more than we need them.
fe3333au: and get our discussion going
fe3333au: I agree
bawhomp: 3 techs....bah!
bawhomp: joke.
fe3333au: yes and we fail to grasp the humour
bawhomp: OK I will likely pm something unless someone can put it on the email. I don;t have access.
bawhomp: during the day.