Diplomatic Relations

Sir Bugsy · Sep 20, 2005

Looking good there Rik! :thumbsup:

Don't share the spreadsheet. They don't need to know how we know just that we know. They need to trust us this one.

Sir Bugsy · Sep 20, 2005

We need to have MIA look at their power graph. That will confirm whether or not Donuts have lost a city or not.

gmaharriet · Sep 20, 2005

Very nice photo, Rik. I tried learning and playing duplicate bridge about 25 years ago. My partner would tell me after the hand that I should have played "x" card before playing "y" card, and I'd never remember having played either one of them in any special order. I just don't have the memory for it. Prolly should have stuck with "friendly" bridge games and don't play at all anymore.

Tubby Rower · Sep 21, 2005

daveshack (Dnut) in truntracker thread said:
Homer will need an extension of up to 24 hours beyond the normal time.

Edit: 9/20 18:30 Arizona: Let's make that 48 hours.

Look at the edit.... :hmm:

..... data suggests that D'nut attacked TNT. these delays are looking like TNT attacked the nutters..... :hmm:

.....

soul_warrior · Sep 21, 2005

so who exactly is shafting whom?
i cant stand much more of this suspense....

Tubby Rower · Sep 21, 2005

I remembered something from another PBEM game..... after we hit save & exit the score will be updated. If you look at the graphic below. It looks like TNT's curve is not increasing as much.

Code:

	[U][B]34[/B][/U]	[U][B]35[/B][/U]	[U][B]36[/B][/U]	[U][B]34->35[/B][/U]	[U][B]35->36[/B][/U]
D'nut	134	137	140	+3	+3
Tnt	155	158	160	+3	+2
Mia	132	134	137	+2	+3
Kiss	130	134	138	+4	+4

Whomp · Sep 21, 2005

They are going to press us on the power of being ag (the last topic he mentions which was diplomatically avoided :mischief:

).

We need to start thinking of how we will respond and what we are willing to give for writing.
Free dyes? They will be extremely unhappy methinks when they find this out.

Spoiler :

Tubby Rower · Sep 21, 2005

Just tell them that we are securing them from the dougnut horde :lol:

Kickbooti · Sep 21, 2005

Okay, an idea strikes me.

It would depend on how forthcoming MIA has been, but here is the outline.

Let's EACH of us, MIA and KISS support one of the factions with the full knowledge of our partner to prolong the conflict and bleed them white.

We would obviously keep let Nuts and TNT know that we are in contact with one another, but we could keep our close working relationship a secret and then funnel tech/money for now (units in the future) to whatever team is weakest using our own situation on our continent as a rationale as to what we can or can't do at any given moment.

This would allow us to bring the resources of three civs to bear against any either TNT/Nuts at any given moment without their knowledge. We could prop them up, tear them down several times perhaps, all while we develop and progress and get what we can from them.

This would only work if Nuts don't know about how friendly we and MIA are.

It would also require quite a bit of trust between us and MIA and is somewhat complex, so I need more experienced voices on how workable/beneficial this would be.

Just my thoughts.

Sinceerly,

Otto vonKickBooti

Daghdha · Sep 21, 2005

I like this idea of supporting a prolonged war, if that is what it is, btw Nuts and TNT. May be we could sign up, with the weakest, for say 20 turns and then renegotiate. If the tables are turning we could say "starting to look good for you, it's been a pleasure to help but now we would like to tend to our own buissness, good luck". We can balance this support with MIA so we don't create a monster (maybe we "give" a lux and they chip in some cash so they (nuts/TNT) can pay for it, then we can ship some gold back to MIA and keep some as "courtage"). If we deal smart we can cut that continent open and let it bleed while making a buck. When they start to look pale The Green Continent can launch and invasion fleet. With the very skilled warheads on our team I would be surprised if we cut the smallest piece of that cake.
In this perspective 1-2 settlers on an early galley would be useful to grab a foothold asap. If the gap is where we assume, that's a nice distance from our core to keep those troops pouring in.

Kickbooti · Sep 21, 2005

Prolonged conflict is exactly what I'm proposing.

Both MIA and KISS could 'pick a pony' on the other continent. Let's say we get TNT and MIA gets the Nuts. If the Nuts look strong, KISS/MIA funnel tech/gold/lux to TNT via our relationship. If TNT has the upper hand KISS/MIA funnel support to the Nuts through MIA's relationship.

We never break our 'public' front in terms of our 'alliance' with the other continent, but in reality it is our alliance with MIA that dictates what our other-continent actions would be, and vica versa.

This requires a great deal of trust in MIA, after all, if 'their' client civ is on the uptake they could secretly encourage a rollover our 'client' and then double-team us. The input of AK, Whomp, Tubby and those who have had the most contact with MIA would be invaluable as to their trustworthiness. This agreement would transcend simple 'Ages,' it would be a long-term stratigic arrnagement.

Also, I would propose keeping the support for the 'clients' in the form of loose arrangements. If they are on the upswing I wouldn't even say, 'it looks like your doing fine,' I would probably say something like, 'pressing needs at home demand more of our rescources now...'

As I've said in the past, I'm an ideas guy; good or bad I don't know - the Grumpies will have to comment...

KB

PS This all hinges on what MIA has told the Nuts to date.

Admiral Kutzov · Sep 21, 2005

@kickbooti - keep those good ideas rolling

Sir Bugsy · Sep 21, 2005

Prolonged conflict is exactly what we need. Keeping them at war will allow us to grow strong in comparison. I know we can grab a bigger slice of the pie, if not most of it.

Whomp · Sep 21, 2005

This is a short blip of the end of conversation with MIA. The full dialog is in the mailbox but from all indications it was TNT that lost a city. They dropped to +2 on score from 3 and Donut stayed at +3. There are very strange happenings indeed.

Spoiler :

Sir Bugsy · Sep 21, 2005

So does MIA have contact with TNT as well?

Whomp · Sep 21, 2005

Sir Bugsy said:
So does MIA have contact with TNT as well?

No they do not. At least they have given us no indication that they've met TNT. BTW Booti I lobbed out your thoughts as "one school of thought says" type thing but no comments were returned on it yet.

Kickbooti · Sep 22, 2005

Whomp said:
BTW Booti I lobbed out your thoughts as "one school of thought says" type thing but no comments were returned on it yet.

It will be interesting to see. Maybe this should be under 'mapping our opponents', but if MIA seems agreeable to the idea would they honorably/competently work with it?

I guess I'm looking at Whomp for input on this.

Whomp · Sep 22, 2005

Hmm...I would say no one can be completely trusted. The best place I know of for human vs. human games is at CDZ.

This is a spoiler thats a good read where a great long-term relationship resulted in a early IA backstab. If you have time to read the thread I recommend it but be aware that certain words can be used at CDZ.

Fab four and the great deceit.

soul_warrior · Sep 22, 2005

that Fab 4.... truly :evil:

and a fascinating game too.
and he crushed both romeo and grs.... much respect.

Daghdha · Sep 24, 2005

I PM'd Provo this:

Provolution said:
Hi Provolution
This pm is obviously not an "in-game" move, but a question to you about something you posted in the main thread.

Provolution said:

I am certain this was made public as a part of a defamation campaign for diplomatic purposes and as a joint intelligence gathering campaign on another continent before anyone met.

Click to expand...

Am I correct in seeing this as a suggestion that KISS and MIA have had contact and made deals before it was allowed? I do not want to post this offically since I might have missed your actual point.
Would you be so kind to straighten this question mark out for me.

Regards
Daghie

If my take on this is the correct one he has stepped waaaay out of line methinks. I'll stay a way cool dude and await his response.

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