Diplomatic Relations

It works.

Since I've never done this I want to see if I understand the situation rightly...

We have not gold
We can't trade maps or lux at this point
The only thing we have to trade are techs
The other thing we could do is agree to peace, right of passage, etc.

Am I missing something? This meeting is probably more for tone and to determine future working relationship - right?

Are we willing to trade any techs? Which ones? I have to think...
 
How about this...
Hello MIA,
We are the simple people from Simpleton. Hope youre enjoying the southern island resorts this beutiful summer. would very much like to meet you. How about we chat a bit before we get the :beer: flowing. We would like to schedule a meeting at your earliest convenience by IM. Let us know if this is possible.

Kisses,
Team K.I.S.S

There will be no discussing anything specific until we get on IM. They don't know what we have and we don't know what they have. For all they know we have 300g and 5 techs. It's more you show mine and you show yours type thing.
 
OK I am sending that message now to ybbor and classical hero. I will give you 10 minutes to respond if you disagree with these comment. Time to get some cafe ole'!!
 
Kickbooti said:
The other thing we could do is agree to peace, right of passage, etc.

Are we willing to trade any techs? Which ones? I have to think...
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I don't believe we can make RoPs yet. They don't come until Embassies in the epic game.

I think we're going to try to make them show us a few techs they have before revealing what we have. Try to, anyway.
 
ROP's are not required with an embassy. We can discuss any type of passage agreement we want. 50 turns 1 explorer, 30 turns but 5 tiles from capital...whatever we agree to.
 
Oh, alright.

Hmm, how far away is their warrior from our land? If we were to make the RoP so that it expired as soon as they got to our land, that would work out well for us (since I assume we're closer to them than they are to us).
 
I don't think we need to offer a ROP at this point. We are a bigger threat to them then they to us. The critical discussions will how we can work together for mutual benefitand if I have anything to do with it how to wipe TNT off the planet.
Daghie we don't know any of that. We will know once we establish contact. There is no info given in a PBEM what the other side has unlike a SP game.

Ok I am sending NOW. Weewho!
 
Whomp said:
Daghie we don't know any of that. We will know once we establish contact
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You're absolutely right Mon Capitän. Should've phrased it "we can assume we're..." because that's what I did ;) .
Edit: I don't have messenger but could prolly fix that. I would like to have my fingers in this cookie jar.
 
Hmm.. we can't offer them BW through diplomacy, so doesn't that reveal that they already have it (which they of course do since they started with it)? And further that they don't have any of the techs we CAN offer? Of course we couldn't know if they have Wheel or Masonry for example.
 
Whomp said:
There is no info given in a PBEM what the other side has unlike a SP game.
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Really? Oh, then we'll just have to ask them. :(

I don't think they'd give Alpha+Writing for IW+Pottery (which they may have already discovered).
 
I have forwarded an official email to MIA. Classical has responded by PM so they are aware of our contact. We need to watch the gmail account for further discussions.

Any discussion are preliminary and will be brought back to each team for further approval. Start thinking of what we want out of our relationship before we establish this meeting.
 
Pentium said:
Really? Oh, then we'll just have to ask them. :(

I don't think they'd give Alpha+Writing for IW+Pottery (which they may have already discovered).
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We don't know whether they gone writing. We know nothing about them until we discuss things. There are many things that can be negotiated in good faith in tech trades. To me alpha is not as important as pottery. It is mighty difficult to get population = power without it. Be patient and let's see how things develop on IM.

We need our candidates for the IM conference call. Does anyone know how many can be on at the same time?
 
How do you figure the "meeting" will be organized? I'd like one of us, Whompie, to deal with the contact and while doing so getting immediate feedback from others. We should avoid being many Celts at the table, but have many of us backing him/her up.

Edit: Agree on Pot being better than Alpha in this game. They should be very anxious to get it when they see us expand with that settler factory.
 
MSN chat I've had as many as 15 participants :D

Let me know if it's MSN or Yahoo as I have both.

I can invite you guys into a conversation if I have all of your email addies.

If it's not one of these let me know as well as I'd like to lurk the conversation.

Whomever starts it make sure that the conversation is logged so it can be posted here for discussion.
 
And it begins.
ybbor said:
Greetings From Greece and MIA! At Present we do not know of where our paths have crossed, but when we do, we will prepare a feast in your team Honor, and welcome you into our homes. I'm looking forward to a great game of working side by side together.

In the future, I request that correspondence be directed to our foreign minister, fe3333au, whom I am sure is just as glad to hear of this joyous news as I am.

Thank you, and long Live KISS! Long Live MIA! Long live our friendship!
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LOL! Are they sucking up already? :goodjob:
 
I think we need to send one or two representatives. Max - no more than three. Sort of like when Jefferson, Franklin and Adams went to negotiate with England for peace in 1781. Hopefully someone who is experienced with these negotiations. We don't all need to go. We need to trust their judgment and give them full power to act on our behalf. This will speed things up and present a united front to the other team.

I think Whomp should definitely be one of the negotiators. I'm not sure who else. I know I don't have any experience in these things, so I shouldn't go.
 
This is indeed good to hear and not too suprisingly. As far as mutual benefits of a peace/tech deal goes: Greece have strenght in research being commercial and scientific. We should get some of that from them. We're strong in expanding and will cover more luxes/rescources, let them benefit from that.
I suggest we keep to Dagh's 4F of negotiating:
Firm, Friendly, Fruitful and Fun ;-)
 
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