Diplomatic Relations

Whompology said:
farmers gambit
If this is not a common phrase allready, you've just coined it. Beautiful :clap:
Niko's point is very good if we want to keep the greek connection a continental secret (and we do). Could a pm look something like this:

Hi Continental Fellows!
We were thinking that maybe from now on our teams should make our tech gifting look more like tech trading. The obvious benefit is that our close and fruitful friendship will not be as easily recognized by others. Without going into details, we suggest that we in general do not "gift" techs on discovery but instead swap one for another. Because you recently gave us Myst upon discovery and we now have finished Writing and propouse this "new" strategy it may look a bit suspect from your southern view and we realize that. That noted, we do think that we should adapt this strategy asap so we don't "blow our cover".
How about working something out?

All the Best
Your Beer Buddies
K.I.S.S.
 
Sounds good. We might want AK to talk to fe. He has a repor with him and they are the best of chums now. I think that it will be received better if the news is given by someone they trust.
 
OK MIA is going to send Donut an angry letter to Donut.
1. That they traded with us even though they had a deal pending with MIA.
2. That they traded to us (their alleged not so caring neighbors. :mischief: )

We should draft a letter to donut on our deal for republic. They should...
1. HBR for their UU (and a despotic GA :banana: )
We should recommend that they do cash upgrades of their horses since TNT has iron hooked up.
2. Maths--they will need the cats to knock off some hit points for the immortal onslaught)
3. Currency--this could be perfectly timed for us to start building markets when we switch to republic and everyone else is in anarchy.

All deals with Donut should be contingent on giving us the techs once they finish. No waiting till we finish republic.

In the meantime, MIA can research mapmaking (which they are doing now), lit and another tech. Construction or poly? They have agreed to tell us if they get a SGL and what they should do with it. I'm not sure about what wonder we should suggest. Give that some thought.
 
This was posted in Daggie's 4man spoiler thread and I thought that it would be of interest to the whole team...no looking at Daggie's thread Whomp!!!
killercane said:
Also, you should spearhead a KISS movement to come help us eliminate Provolution and the Persians in the MTDG. Though I dont think we'll need much help ;).
 
Tubby Rower said:
This was posted in Daggie's 4man spoiler thread and I thought that it would be of interest to the whole team...no looking at Daggie's thread Whomp!!!
Whomp and AK are of course not welcomed there at all, but the rest of you are invited for a laugh at my expense. There you will see why one of the first SG's i did was sponsored by Stupid Decisions and Generally Bad Planning http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=116235 .
 
To summarize. We will tell Donut no deals for masonry. TNT isn't talking and MIA is asking too much maybe due to their pyramid build.
Spoiler :

how to deal with Donut.
bawhomp: All that's left on the tree will be currency, poly and construction.
fe3333au: nothing big
bawhomp: gp or gpt
fe3333au: Lit
fe3333au: gold is gp for me
fe3333au: *gold
bawhomp: lit will finish by before we finish repub.
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: I see what you mean
bawhomp: so those would be the last techs before a new age
We discuss the problems of getting masonry
fe3333au: First stage ... is tell them TNT will not talk to you
bawhomp: they'll like that
fe3333au: and then I will talk to our team ... maybe they will say just trade it with them
fe3333au: there are voices who dislike them as I do
bawhomp: I can see
bawhomp: It's tough being so close to them.
fe3333au: Either way ... we are in go slow with them
bawhomp: I think if they win this thing they'll start something on you and try to get is in on it.
bawhomp: Then we both pound them!
fe3333au: You could strategize with them ... and see what happens ... but don't agree to anything
bawhomp: of course
bawhomp: see what their thoughts are...
fe3333au: They mentioned to you that they had a lead on Masionry
fe3333au: you ash who
fe3333au: well actually you would know ...
fe3333au: cos TNT is more than silent with them
bawhomp: lol
bawhomp: We'll tell them masonry has become too expensive.
bawhomp: not sure why
bawhomp: TNT won't talk and you guys are impossible
fe3333au: Masonry essential to survival
fe3333au: LOL just realised that we are rubbing it in by building pyramids
bawhomp: zactly
fe3333au: slows we are angry
fe3333au: *shows
bawhomp: ok so i'll let them know we can't make a deal. tnt is non communicatitve and mia is asking too much
fe3333au: What will that mean to KISS though if TNT get Masonry
fe3333au: Nuts
fe3333au: what would your gp value be?
bawhomp: tnt has masonry
fe3333au: mistake
fe3333au: BUT
Fe breaks it down
fe3333au: Stage one ... TNT don't talk
fe3333au: Stage 2 ... discuss with Nuts other options
fe3333au: Stage 3 ... both Nuts and KISS approach us for the tech
fe3333au: because we are virtually advertising we have it ... and you are knocking on our door to see if there is a sale
fe3333au: Stage 4 ... different prices
fe3333au: KISS price cheaper
fe3333au: by 2gp
fe3333au: So Nut = X+2gp
fe3333au: KISS = X
fe3333au: What should X be?
bawhomp: i'm thinking they won't go for a hbr for masonry deal as is. GP will definitely not work for them.
fe3333au: what value for both?
bawhomp: they'd want us to give masonry plus gold.
bawhomp: for hbr
fe3333au: **** computer crashed Explorer
fe3333au: what is the values for HBR and MAsonry?
bawhomp: i'd have to look but hbr is 2nd level and masonry is level 1 and researched by 2 so cheaper.
fe3333au: I see
fe3333au: so probaly we should not try the cash thing yet
fe3333au: maybe for another thing
bawhomp: no it would be an insult kinda
fe3333au: so you just say TNT are silent
fe3333au: and MIA will wait for Nuts
I break it down
bawhomp: 1 TNT silent
bawhomp: 2. we are checking with mia buuuttt....
bawhomp: see if they talk bad about you
bawhomp: 3. No deals.
bawhomp: 4. KISS will just wait and research republic to the best bidder
bawhomp: you of course
fe3333au: 2 ... MIA said want more than HBR
fe3333au: no
bawhomp: we have CoL and you don't but we're not giving it for masonry.
fe3333au: If We said we are interested in trade ... will taht effect Greens in the long run
bawhomp: if they won't research with us then what do we need them for?
bawhomp: then it's probably ok to say they're our best partner
bawhomp: unless they do some research for us.
bawhomp: We put republic out for the best deal. You were it.
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: Done
fe3333au: I'm confused
Recap
bawhomp: We can't trade with Donut.
fe3333au: 1. MIA and KISS is the main big deal
bawhomp: They have nothing to offer us.
bawhomp: We have nothing but republic on them.
fe3333au: 2. All others will be used by us to squeeze deals which benefit the Greens
bawhomp: Right but TNT is the only who needs our techs.
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: But later we could slip you something ... which you could trade on
bawhomp: CoL for?
bawhomp: that's all we are up on you.
Auctioning Republic
fe3333au: So as far as Nuts are concerned ... you will be auctioning off Republic when you have it
bawhomp: and will discuss whatever they can come up with.
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: but you are open and say you will go for the best deal and best interest to your team
fe3333au: they will appreciate your honestry and openness
bawhomp: Right and we feel we are getting ripped off on any masonry deal.
bawhomp: so no dice
fe3333au: I'm still asleep ... so I'm thinking I'm getting ahead of myself and confusing things ... do you feel this?
bawhomp: It's complex.
bawhomp: The easiest is if they'd just agree and go maths, currency and be done with it.
fe3333au: yes ... but that changes when we get it from TNT
bawhomp: it's not happening
bawhomp: no one can gets masonry
fe3333au: Maths
fe3333au: so the deal with Nuts is this
fe3333au: Masonry for HBR
fe3333au: Maths for MM
fe3333au: Currancy for Lit
bawhomp: that's the most ideal but after we tell them no deal cuz we couldn't get it
bawhomp: masonry that is
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: and they are slow researchers
bawhomp: then they'll be more prone to deal with you.
bawhomp: once we tell them we can't help
bawhomp: and are holding out for best deal on republic.
fe3333au: k ... so put the cash extortion into a box that may be opened at a later date
Later on research...
bawhomp: Yeah they can research construction at that point
bawhomp: that's gold
bawhomp: plenty of it while one of us turns off research.
fe3333au: yeah
bawhomp: lots of cash that way.
bawhomp: only one of us would need to research at that point.
bawhomp: since it won't help to speed it up
fe3333au: prolly you as commercial is our trait
bawhomp: Yep
bawhomp: and we can deal poly for construction easier prolly too
fe3333au: and in republic it will be nice flow of gold
bawhomp: definitely a big econ boost
fe3333au: Can't wait for republic ... churn out units and unleash our generals
fe3333au: then the continent becomes a land grab he he he
fe3333au: with a couple of prebuilt housing estates
bawhomp: The two of them will be soooo gassed from fighting
fe3333au: yep
fe3333au: I love it
bawhomp: let's hope they're continuing
bawhomp: and not trying to fake us out
bawhomp: but tnt is too far behind for that.
fe3333au: Well the only tech trade source is us ... so we will discuss ramifications of specific trade
bawhomp: let us tell them we can't do anything first
fe3333au: yes first step is ... no luck with TNT
bawhomp: and MIA is holding out for something.
bawhomp: Pyramids!
fe3333au: and we can time there responce time to contact us ;-)
fe3333au: *their
Finale
bawhomp: ok I should pm robi
fe3333au: k
fe3333au: I will just post this chat ... the other was too confusing ... and we have covered everything in this one
bawhomp: me too irongold style
fe3333au: :-)
 
My pm to Robi D--
Rob,
It seems we've hit a roadblock. I don't know if it's civ4 or what but TNT is
not responding to us now. I wonder if they've caught on that we are talking
to you or something.

We've tried to talk to MIA but I'm not sure if they're backing off trading it
due to a pyramid build.
Sorry but I don't think we can get masonry for you.
We should talk again soon.

Whomp

And the reply from Robi D--seems we have a battle coming. :banana:
Robi D said:
Whomp,
I think civ4 could be a part of it, there seems to be less people around;) ,
however we have talked to MIA also but to no avail so far. As it is we are
getting ready for the first big battle with TNT, it seems they are a little
closer than we first thought, so there should be fireworks in about 5 turns.

Anyway hope all is well at KISS, talk to you soon
Robi D
 
It's a pity we won't actually be able to watch the battle.
 
I had a feeling it was going to be a while until they went at it. I posted about 10 turns ago that it would be 15-20 turns before they could get a force in range of each other. I'm more concerned about the pyramids build! ..argh.. Is there any way we can get a prebuild going to beat them to it? Probably not but with one of thier core cities going for it that will mean less military for them and we should be able to capture it. Let's keep building up. As soon as those rax are done we can start some real military building. More workers to get the lux hooked up so we can maintain growth.
 
MIA is not building the pyramids they are using it to direct a forest chop.

Dunderhead is 2 turn workers now and our iron should be hooked up, if not this turn the next. Ignoramus finishes a rax this turn and others are building them. GS here we come.
 
Quick Q: out of simple mindedness, I've yet to open a diplo thread with the purpose of doing/reading something on that front of the game. The other fronts seem well-prepared and sufficiently managed (aka practically dead on the discussion side), so I was assuming that the diplo is where it's all at - and I just wanted to verify. So, am I wrong? Thanks.
 
I've summarized in the "stupid decisions" but there is some important reading as of now on the MIA diplo thread. Please read about the "spices" conflict."
 
Thanks mr Whomper
 
Before we give MIA rep should we also look overseas for trading opportunity for Poly? It would be nice to trade Rep to all that have something to give on the next turnset.

edit - Do we even have the prerequisite for Poly?
 
Yes we have all prerequisite techs.

We are missing:
Lit: D'nut & MIA
MM: MIA
HBR: D'nut, TNT, MIA
Poly: D'nut & MIA
Currency: TNT & MIA
Construction: no one
 
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