Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
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Diplomatic Relations
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gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
I wonder if this explanation would cause my husband to stop giving me annoyed looks whenever I say, "Not now! I'm in the middle of a game." I mean, surely he can find his own car keys when I'm doing something so important.Kickbooti said:
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
Message from MIA
Daghdha
Absent Minded
My objection: They seem eager to limit our expansion. I say No to that proposal. We are on neutral ground and scout where ever we want to. Otherwise it sounds good. Our show of good will could be telling them about that ivory to the W.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
Ditto. I'm still a little perterbed that they don't value Pottery.
I say that we play buddy buddy but don't give them anything useful. I agree with what someone else posted that a partner on the other continent will be MUCH more valuable. Let's wait for A-K to find them.
I say that we play buddy buddy but don't give them anything useful. I agree with what someone else posted that a partner on the other continent will be MUCH more valuable. Let's wait for A-K to find them.
Crakie
Soupnazi
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I do not understand what they are saying: a direct swap (pottery-wheel) is out of the question, unless we pay less than we are paying now??? Then they quickly add that they are willing to be short-changed until the next trade. From this, I guess, we can discern that they are in fact starting to understand the true value of pottery. Do we know what they are researching now?
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
They are researching the wheel, according to a past IM conversation
gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
Maybe they would find the value of Pottery increased if we suggested that we wait to deal for it until we have enough techs to do a straight up exchange. Their realization that they would either have to wait quite awhile or research it themselves might persuade them to "just trust us".
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Whatever the deal, I'd like that treasury of ours to be full enough for us to send a stack of warriors on teambuilding when the time comes.
soul_warrior
Termite!
neutral grounds is open to ALL people.
if they dont want pots, dont give it to them, we'll do a "fair trade" if thats what they want.
AK - go find those donuts, will ya?
if they dont want pots, dont give it to them, we'll do a "fair trade" if thats what they want.
AK - go find those donuts, will ya?
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Someone should PM MIA an answer to these 2 PM's they've sent. The amended "all in/all out"-offer which in their hands became a "leave us alone through AA"-offer plus this last "pot is of no value, but please don't outexpand us"-proposal. Maybe time for Bede to play the role of spokesman?
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
I think that our lack of response will speak to them. Specially when they see that our warrior doesn't stop scouting. 
soul_warrior
Termite!
hear here.
it takes two to tango, and we can surely muster a couple of dancers on the other side of the dancehall.
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it takes two to tango, and we can surely muster a couple of dancers on the other side of the dancehall.
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are rady for some 
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Alright I'm confused.
What is our basic attitude/approach to MIA?
Do we like them? Do we trust them? Are we going to accept their AA deal? Are we just going to do simple tech-trades?
Frankly, at this point, I am ambivilent about them. My inexperience/emotion may be coming into play, but I don't know that I see a long-term benefit with them. I think that technology deals with an 'other-continental' partner would pick up whatever lack a strained relationship with MIA would create.
Making nice in AA makes sense, we can't effectively wage war anyway. But I don't know that I would work to keep in their good graces if it would ****** our growth/expansion.
I know I'm a 'young hothead,' I would love to hear the perspective of the grumpy old men.
KB
What is our basic attitude/approach to MIA?
Do we like them? Do we trust them? Are we going to accept their AA deal? Are we just going to do simple tech-trades?
Frankly, at this point, I am ambivilent about them. My inexperience/emotion may be coming into play, but I don't know that I see a long-term benefit with them. I think that technology deals with an 'other-continental' partner would pick up whatever lack a strained relationship with MIA would create.
Making nice in AA makes sense, we can't effectively wage war anyway. But I don't know that I would work to keep in their good graces if it would ****** our growth/expansion.
I know I'm a 'young hothead,' I would love to hear the perspective of the grumpy old men.
KB
[rant]
Well as Bede would say "do we need it right now?" ? The answer is an emphatic "no".
Horses are not required by us at this point. Our UU is a horse with better characteristics. They require pottery to turn 2 pop in four turns instead of 8. Simple math in my book and I don't need Tubby to figure that our for me. It's a required game winning strategy. I'd say let's put off the pot for wheel trade. They don't see the benefit and we don't need horses (other than to finish off the AA tree).
Let them try to get it overseas and see how it's valued by D'nuts or TNT. I presume some of the players on those teams understand the value of pottery. As well, D'nuts probably researched their UU techs and may need some techs and/or offer a better wheel deal.
Anyone who wants to assign a real value on the tech tree needs to continue playing SP. No reasonable human player values free artistry over gunpowder or democracy over Mil. Tradition.
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As far as Peapants goes I would say we simply will not walk 1 tile from their real natural borders
Well as Bede would say "do we need it right now?" ? The answer is an emphatic "no".
Horses are not required by us at this point. Our UU is a horse with better characteristics. They require pottery to turn 2 pop in four turns instead of 8. Simple math in my book and I don't need Tubby to figure that our for me. It's a required game winning strategy. I'd say let's put off the pot for wheel trade. They don't see the benefit and we don't need horses (other than to finish off the AA tree).
Let them try to get it overseas and see how it's valued by D'nuts or TNT. I presume some of the players on those teams understand the value of pottery. As well, D'nuts probably researched their UU techs and may need some techs and/or offer a better wheel deal.
Anyone who wants to assign a real value on the tech tree needs to continue playing SP. No reasonable human player values free artistry over gunpowder or democracy over Mil. Tradition.
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As far as Peapants goes I would say we simply will not walk 1 tile from their real natural borders
Daghdha
Absent Minded
My take on the MIA-deal:
We deal with them as we should deal with anyone, i.e. to our advantage or nothing at all. We follow the three pillar of trading (1) do we need it, (2) can we afford it and (3) can we sell with profit. 3 of 3 is excellent, 2 of 3 is OK but 1 of 3 is a
. That line of questions is to be followed before any deal with them and every deal is a, as chamnix put it, "little piece" and not part of a bigger picture. When it comes to the pot-wheel deal I see only one criteria fullfilled, we can afford it. That is not enough so no deal.
I suggest rest of AA deals be treated in same way vs. MIA. We do not need to be overly hostile but there is no need to be generous either. That option blew out the window some time ago and MIA blew it.
As I have stated before, I'm totally against anything that could put a limit on our expansion ans I can see MIA trying to do just that. We should clearly state that borders will be naturally drawn when expansion phase is over and that's it. If they're short on luxes, well, I would quote Kentharu and say "Sorry". If they want it, they will have to pay the market price w/o buddy-discount.
Their AA-deal is IIRC just thin air so I think we can accept it because there's no obligations except not to attack before one of us enters MA. I don't see us doing that anyway (but shortly after) so go ahead and sign it.
We deal with them as we should deal with anyone, i.e. to our advantage or nothing at all. We follow the three pillar of trading (1) do we need it, (2) can we afford it and (3) can we sell with profit. 3 of 3 is excellent, 2 of 3 is OK but 1 of 3 is a
. That line of questions is to be followed before any deal with them and every deal is a, as chamnix put it, "little piece" and not part of a bigger picture. When it comes to the pot-wheel deal I see only one criteria fullfilled, we can afford it. That is not enough so no deal.I suggest rest of AA deals be treated in same way vs. MIA. We do not need to be overly hostile but there is no need to be generous either. That option blew out the window some time ago and MIA blew it.
As I have stated before, I'm totally against anything that could put a limit on our expansion ans I can see MIA trying to do just that. We should clearly state that borders will be naturally drawn when expansion phase is over and that's it. If they're short on luxes, well, I would quote Kentharu and say "Sorry". If they want it, they will have to pay the market price w/o buddy-discount.
Their AA-deal is IIRC just thin air so I think we can accept it because there's no obligations except not to attack before one of us enters MA. I don't see us doing that anyway (but shortly after) so go ahead and sign it.
IroquoisPlisken
Brigadier Idiot
Uhh...I think you meant it the other way around.
But I agree. If they don't care about Pottery, and we don't really need Wheel, why bother trading?
I think we should counter with this...
We will research writing they will research the masonry and myst and exchange it.
We will research philo and they will research CoL. If we get the sling we shall share republic if it doesn't we will renegotiate (or not at all). That's my .02 at this point.
We will respect their natural borders within one tile and they should do the same for us.
Sorry I was in rant mode. Thanks for correcting me IP. I changed it.
We will research writing they will research the masonry and myst and exchange it.
We will research philo and they will research CoL. If we get the sling we shall share republic if it doesn't we will renegotiate (or not at all). That's my .02 at this point.
We will respect their natural borders within one tile and they should do the same for us.
Yeah but when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...IroquoisPlisken said:Uhh...I think you meant it the other way around.
But I agree. If they don't care about Pottery, and we don't really need Wheel, why bother trading?
Sorry I was in rant mode. Thanks for correcting me IP. I changed it.
soul_warrior
Termite!
exactly.whomp said:
they dont seem like they want trade. we dont need theier trade. so no trade.
borders are ONLY claimed land.
ALL free land is free for grabs or "tourists".
about the CoL - Phil deal, IIRC phil is much cheaper than CoL. how will they time the tech to meet our rushed run at phil?
