do destroyed great works get recycled

[regalman]

When I conquer a city, it said it had 5 great works, but when I annexed it, it only had 1 left.
so the great works lost, do they come back in the form of great artists, musicians or writers so they can be created again?
and what about the GWs, GMs and GAs with names that could have created great works but were used for golden ages, political treatise or concert tours
do they come back?

 

[bonafide11]

I doubt it. They have enough names that they don't need to reuse them in the same game.

 

[darkfng]

According to this thread, there are not enough names in the game, the list of names can be used up.

I did not know that Great Works could be destroyed, is that what happened here? Or did the defeated foe sneak the Great Works out of the city before it was annexed?

 

[Elfdemon]

I think great works can be destroyed if you conquer a city and you do not have enough slots in your emprie to contain these newly-acquired Great Works. They will just be gone.

 

[FreedomFighter]

I think great works can be destroyed if you conquer a city and you do not have enough slots in your emprie to contain these newly-acquired Great Works. They will just be gone.

might be this since lot of building got destroy in process after you conquer that city.

 

[otaman1]

I doubt it. They have enough names that they don't need to reuse them in the same game.

No. There's a shortage of Great Works in the game. Try playing a game with 22 cultural civs.

 

[regalman]

i played with 22 civs and by the modern era, all the names were gone, except the musicians, because the AI kept using them for concerts, so it seems they do get recycled

 

[MarshalN]

I believe the game is not designed for 22 civs, so no, there isn't a shortage.

 

[Mauzel]

i played with 22 civs and by the modern era, all the names were gone, except the musicians, because the AI kept using them for concerts, so it seems they do get recycled

Actually, they don't get recycled. AI just don't get enough great musicians to exhaust the list.

A way to check is to use an ingame editor, pump yourself with enough GA to exhaust the entire list and hit generic "Great Artists", then disband some of the named ones.
If you pump more great artists after this, regardless of whether you reload the game or not, all new GA will be generics.

In other words, if Rembrandt is used for the Dutch Golden Age, the Night Watch will forever disappear from the alternate history.

 

[sendos]

In my Shoshone game, the great musician names were exhausted and I managed to get a GM with the name Great Musician, rather than, say, Johnny Cash.

Hopefully still related to topic, what happens if City states get control of great works?

 

[otaman1]

Hopefully still related to topic, what happens if City states get control of great works?

They can't. If they capture one during war, it'll get killed.

 

[George Abitbol]

In my Shoshone game, the great musician names were exhausted and I managed to get a GM with the name Great Musician, rather than, say, Johnny Cash.

Is Jonhnny Cash really in the game??

 

[Lochlann]

might be this since lot of building got destroy in process after you conquer that city.

This is the real reason, I suspect. When you conquer a city, the Great Works it contains remain in the city until/unless you choose to relocate them. If you see "4 Great Works captured!" but there are only 2 when you examine the city, it means that one or more of the culture buildings housing those Works were destroyed during the siege. In that case, those homeless Great Works are destroyed. Which makes sense. This is particularly noticeable when you capture an AI capital, because the Palace is automatically destroyed.

The only exception to this I've seen, which should be addressed somehow, is when you liberate an occupied CS upon capturing it. Because the liberation occurs immediately, unlike razing, you have no opportunity to relocate any Great Works that had been stored there, and they automatically disappear. (Or I suppose they could stay and simply change ownership to the CS; I've never checked that. That's probably more likely.)

 

[sendos]

They can't. If they capture one during war, it'll get killed.

Well, they have 2 ways of getting great works. a) capturing a civ capital. Very unlikely but still possible if CS' coordinate their attack well. b) Civ a puppeting a city state that is housing great works is captured by civ B and civ B chooses to liberate the CS. A bit more likely, if you ask me. That's why I asked.


And yes, one of the GM's I managed to get was Johnny Cash.