do resources ever appear later in game

[spherop]

i have a basic question. am playing a game where I do not have access to oil in my territory even though I have the necessary tech. will oil ever be "discovered" on my land? Ie., appear later on by chance? Or do I have to trade or use war to achieve?
thx

 

[Figaro]

What I believe happens is that the resources 'appear' when they disappear elsewhere, meaning there is always the same ammount of resources on the map only in different places. There is nothing you can do to increase the chances of Oil appearing in your territory per se, but you can marginally increase the chance I think by changing terrain to make there be more of the relevant terrain for that resource (cutting down snowy forests to create tundra for ecample). The best way to get the resource would be to conquer it because the AI rarely if ever gives you a fair deal with resources, and it would rely on another AI having more than one lot of oil.

 

[ybbor]

Figaro is corrct in some respects, but wrong in others. 1) yes, there is the possibility a resource will disapear somehwere and reapear somewhere else. however, the chances of this happening are so slim, you cannot plan a stragy sround waiting for it to apear. 2) actually, changing the terrain does nothing to increase the probability of the resource apearing in your territroy, i has already been pre-determined. 3)the best way to get it would be conquest

 

[spherop]

looks like time to kick some a#$

 

[Willem]

2) actually, changing the terrain does nothing to increase the probability of the resource apearing in your territroy, i has already been pre-determined.

That's only true with the initial setup of the resources. Once one flips, terrain type does make a difference. They'll only reappear on the appropriate land type. I think that's one reason they made Rubber so it doesn't disappear, chances are there won't be very much Forest or Jungle by the end of the game.

 

[Figaro]

That's right, when I said appear I meant after disappearing elsewhere, not when they turn up for the first time. I meant when you get the 'new resource dicovered near Canton!' or whatever.

Rubber comes from trees which are in theory renewable - that's why I thought it never ran out (same as horses). What I was saying about trying to influence things, you could chop down all the snowy forests to make more tundra and thus increase the chance of an oil turning up in your territory (once it disappears elsewhere) - though the chance is fairly obviously minuscule!

 

[John Lenin]

In my current game I have no coal on my own territory. I already went to war with my neighbouring civ over their two squares of saltpeter, when I had none; so I decided to go to war with them again over their coal. (no one would trade coal with me.) So I disrupt my perfect civ to go to war, and spend many turns working my way across the other civ's territory, patiently conquering cities and quellig rebellions, and fending off counterattacks. Many turns later I get to the enemy city where earlier I saw their coal (after getting their worldmap and using CTRL-SHIFT-M to make doubly sure) - and their bloody coal was gone. Gone! I used CTRL-SHIFT-M again and had a quick look around. The coal had vanished from that square, and another seam had appeared.... three squares into the territory of my neighbouring civ on the OTHER side. Bloody hell, *&^%$^*^, I thought calmly.

Anyway. This is only my 2nd full game of Civ3, and I'm beginning to see the pattern. The game obliges you to make a strategic choice at key moments of your civ's history - i.e., war or trade. If no one will trade with you then it's war, war, war. And then all the other civs get annoyed/furious pretty quickly.

 

[Xerol]

I've had Oil appear on Forested Tundra, so apparently it only depends on the underlying terrain(at least for Tundra).

 

[DragonRunner]

In my current game I have no coal on my own territory. I already went to war with my neighbouring civ over their two squares of saltpeter, when I had none; so I decided to go to war with them again over their coal. (no one would trade coal with me.) So I disrupt my perfect civ to go to war, and spend many turns working my way across the other civ's territory, patiently conquering cities and quellig rebellions, and fending off counterattacks. Many turns later I get to the enemy city where earlier I saw their coal (after getting their worldmap and using CTRL-SHIFT-M to make doubly sure) - and their bloody coal was gone. Gone! I used CTRL-SHIFT-M again and had a quick look around. The coal had vanished from that square, and another seam had appeared.... three squares into the territory of my neighbouring civ on the OTHER side. Bloody hell, *&^%$^*^, I thought calmly.

Boy, that Just Sucks. and welcome, spherop

 

[Bluemofia]

that sucks.

once when I discovered Fission, I had 1 source of Uranium in my territory. next turn, gone, and in someone elses territory.

 

[Rainbow]

ive had uranium appear in my territory even when the old source still exists, so i then had multiple uranium sources.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Someone else will have lost their source of Uranium.

 

[Chieftess]

ive had uranium appear in my territory even when the old source still exists, so i then had multiple uranium sources.

Maybe the old source disappeared and reappeared in the same spot. That happens sometimes.

 

[Rainbow]

most likely someone lost their uranium, but i hadnt been taking territory. At the end game i had 3 uranium sources when i originally had one.