EgonSpengler
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I haven't read the book, but based on the list provided in the OP, I definitely have a B.S. job (which doesn't appear to be a poll option? 'other'?).
I don't know enough about the view of the movement to dispute this but overall I think this is a false assumption.The popular view of the moment is that only direct participants in manufacturing production processes are "real" workers and everyone else is just a hanger on. That's the BS.
It's weird to me that I'm the only one who wrote "kind of." I mean, ideally we would just have sectoral bargaining agreements and we wouldn't need "strategic researchers" like me to mess with corporations who abuse their workers. So in that sense my job is "kind of" BS.
I don't know enough about the view of the movement to dispute this but overall I think this is a false assumption.
Does creating computer programs for robots count as participating in manufacturing production processes?
Thanks. But I still disagree. It's not the popular view here at least.Moment, not movement. There's a whole lot going on at the moment that tends to both support and rely on the idea that the golden age factory worker is the noble ideal we should all be aspiring towards.
Thanks. But I still disagree. It's not the popular view here at least.
Sometimes it's good to be evil.I'd say yes, realistically, but in the currently popular application of the subject it makes you an absolute enemy of those idealized "real workers" on the factory floor so probably beyond just a BS job and into "evil doer" territory.
Thoughts?
It was partly based on several polls where a large percentage of voters felt that their job was pretty pointless and didn't make a meaningful contribution to the world.
I think you're sort of missing the point of you just break it down to a clash between a factory-like labourer ideal and the rest.
This is a refreshing take on the topic at least. But why are you so sure that human societies will only conjure up jobs there is an actual need for? I think this is demonstrably wrong. But the terms is quite subjective, so rock hard claims are tricky.There is no such thing as a BS job. A job exists because someone somewhere has determined there is a need for it. When there is no longer a need for it, then the job goes away. It really is that simple.
Ok but flipped on it's head why is a job meaningful just because someone feels it is? Why is the bigger picture necessarily a meaningful one?Just because someone "feels" there job is pointless doesn't mean it is. If someone can't see the need for their job or what role it fills within the larger organization, then all that tells me is that particular individual lacks vision and is incapable of seeing the "bigger picture" beyond their own selfish desires.
I really don't differentiate between a factory worker that follows a process and a burger flipper that just has to learn fewer processes.