Do you reload?

[marshalljames]

Dear Spacecadet er spacegirl,
And who do you think you are little girl,maybe you should go back to your little dream world where everyone wears a happy face.
Assuming that you didn't cheat,you didn't get that top ranking by being nice to AI civ's.You, lied,theived and coerced the ai out of it's land.And if you didn't maybe you can explain how you get the ai the give you their land?Tell me it's because your such a wonderful person...

 

[ERIKK]

Hey Marshall,

don't you ever get tired of these kind of discussions?

ERIKK

(No offence, just asking...)

 

[Matrix]

Betraying the AI is somewhat different than betraying fellow CivFanatics.

You clearly miss the spirit of the game, marshalljames. You think cheating is a common thing. That everyone who plays the GOTM wants to prove himself with whatever means.

I don't know where you were grown up and what kind of evil world you live in, but we like to enjoy ourselves. The fact that you think that everyone cheats is simply flawed.

 

[Taé Shala]

@MJ

Look, I´m surrounded by people smilling at me....

 

[marshalljames]

Typical.....Shoot the messenger.
MJ

 

[marshalljames]

Excuse me but exactly where did I say I submitted re-loaded games.In a democracy it's innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Matrix]

No one agrees with you, marshalljames. And you're not a messenger as I and the top players know even more than you do.

I suggest we rest this case. If people reload then there is nothing much we can do about it except to note specifically why you shouldn't, as I've stated on the rules page. But I have good faith everyone will read that and as a result listen to the call not to reload.

Marshalljames, you might think a lot of people are cheating. But you've also said you yourself do not cheat. Please keep it that way. Don't become that wicked. Because then we don't care what your opinion is.

Let's hope we've convinced the few that voted they reload often by this thread and by the rules page.

 

[Aeson]

Originally posted by marshalljames
Typical.....Shoot the messenger.
MJ

When the messenger brings their own opinion, they deserve the just rewards of their actions.

On a side note, anyone remember playing Castles II? I loved the "behead him" option regarding foreign diplomats! And then if you regained your composure and didn't follow through with the beheading, everyone proclaimed how self-composed a leader you were...

 

[marshalljames]

And you're not a messenger as I and the top players know even more than you do.


Sorry but until I mentioned re-loading,it was not a topic of discussion.This makes me the messenger.Also I never claimed to know more than anyone about this game,just a little about human nature.(yea yea I know a little knowledge....)
Also take note that all the exploits you have deemed legal are now patched out and therefore deemed illegal by firaxis.
What a bummer all that discusion just to have it patched out.
And please don't take any of my rhetoric personal it was not meant to be an attack on anyone.I think GOTM are great and well thought out.I would like to see a dip/cul/space victory only games.

 

[Matrix]

Originally posted by marshalljames
Also take note that all the exploits you have deemed legal are now patched out and therefore deemed illegal by firaxis.
What a bummer all that discusion just to have it patched out.

Ofcourse I never wanted that these exploites existed at all. But now that they did, I and others didn't want to bring the GOTM player into...too tight clothes. ("keurslijf" in Dutch

) With other words: I didn't legalize it because I thought it's a legal part of the game, but to make it easier to play. Otherwise you had to keep thinking whether your actions are legal during playing.

Ah well, I can't bring it in the right words. Be glad it doesn't matter now.

Originally posted by marshalljames
And please don't take any of my rhetoric personal it was not meant to be an attack on anyone.I think GOTM are great and well thought out.

Good to hear that!

 

[donsig]

Oh, reloading is OK when you press the wrong button? I didn't know that. I've hit the wrong button a few times and just lived with it. Thought that was the rule. Found out that wrong button mistakes aren't killer errors anyway. Not really worth the trouble of reloading anyway.

 

[Beam]

Originally posted by Matrix

We might as well drop the whole issue, delete the Game of the Month section and the only challenge that is left is a Hall of Fame score.

Please don't think Hall of Fame is an escape for reloaders. The same rules apply there as well for reloading.

 

[Ragincajun]

I haven't yet started playing the GotM, having had Civ3 a shorter period of time than most of you, thanks to residing in Central America. I would have played this month, but I thought I would play my first game on Emperor level on my own first, rather than having my first try at that level be on the GotM(rather chicken of me I know:crazyeyes ), but now that I am about to win the one I am playing, and feel fairly comfortable I know my way around enough to not embarass myself, I will be playing them in the future. Having said all that, I would like to weigh in on the no reload issue....

The rules are no reloading. Reloading is therefore a nono. While you may be able to run your score up higher by doing a reload, there is no satisfaction in gaining a score that way, and anyone who is reloading just to boost their score is making a mistake in that they are not improving their own play. If I am just enjoying myself playing a game where I feel the need to reload for some reason, I have no problem doing that, but that game isnt something being compared to other folks results.

Shame there isn't an IronMan setting in this game, like Alpha Centauri, eh?

 

[marshalljames]

("keurslijf"

I think the english equivelent would be straight-jacket.

 

[marshalljames]

Does this mean.."Oh jeezz that's right I was suppossed to move that cavalry unit there to protect those 33 workers before I wiped the Persians ooooooops......what a silly 'bunt' I am"

 

[Hobbes]

Originally posted by marshalljames
Does this mean.."Oh jeezz that's right I was suppossed to move that cavalry unit there to protect those 33 workers before I wiped the Persians ooooooops......what a silly 'bunt' I am"

For those :frog:, who do not understand/comprehend what pressing the wrong key (fat fingering) is here is a simple scenario, that maybe you will understand. :enlighten

In the pre 1.17 patch, you did not have the ability to move a stack of units as one ; you would have to move each individually. Example, moving a stack of 16 captured workers to a pollution site on a hill or mountain. While going through the repetitive process of moving the workers, you accidentally move the tank that was about to take one of your enemies' cities onto a mountain square. This is a valid reason to reload, as the only reason the unit was moved was by accident.

 

[marshalljames]

"While going through the repetitive process of moving the workers, you accidentally move the tank that was about to take one of your enemies' cities onto a mountain square"

Well according to the way the rules are,that's cheating,and is not allowed.I suggest that your game of the month not be submitted as you have openly admitted re-loading therefore cheating.

 

[ERIKK]

Marshall is right! How about this one:

"When misclicking your galley, you loose your settler and galley but discover new land"

It's an accident but reloading would be cheating.... Just don't reload at all!

ERIKK

 

[marshalljames]

It should be NO RE-LOADING PERIOD,only if the game crashes.That's it.......'Cause someday this game will be multi-player and on-line and try that on me when your about to wipe me out the game and you know what the answer will be be.Same goes for the scout...dead.....instantly....

 

[marshalljames]

Or accept re-loaded games but rank them below defeat no-reloading.I think many would find this acceptable and re-loaders wouldn't have to feel guilty for falsely sub-mitting re-loaded games or excluded..my 2 cents