it isnt about a challenge. there isn't much of a challenge in this game even on diety unless you try to go peaceful on diety or happen to get 3 barb camps in the first 10 turns. sure there have been a few starts where I didn't win because of the start but that is rarely the case. the problem is most starts pigeonhole you into the exact same game you just played only you are building campuses instead of theater squares because of your leader. im done with all of that and just wanna play a relaxed game that doesn't require me to steamroll an idiot civ who mindlessly kills himself on my fortified scout on the other side of the river, just to have land. i stopped playing diety a while ago, because it's not so much more challenging as it is just more tedious.