Dragon Slave

[Selrahc]

In killing Acheron today I got an unexpected surprise. He was turned into a slave. For some reason I'd always assumed dragons couldn't be enslaved.

That merited a tech detour to rage for a shiny new Dragon Berserker. It was damn cool, the dragon race is much stronger than any of the others(except maybe avatar) so while he wasn't as deadly as a captured Acheron would be, he was still probably the most powerful unit in my military.

Anyone else done anything similar?

 

[popejubal]

If you have the Slavery civic, you can get a Slave whenever you defeat a unit in combat. If the unit you defeat has a racial type, you get a unit of that race. Getting Centaur Slaves is pretty cool since they can use the Centaur-Haste to get a second "turn" of work done in one turn.

Take out a Dwarf while running Slavery and the slave you end up with will be a Dwarven slave, etc.

Also, you can't Mind-III Dominate Acheron because he's immune to magic. You can get him with Command I-IV or with an appropriately promoted Beastmaster.

 

[Selrahc]

If you have the Slavery civic, you can get a Slave whenever you defeat a unit in combat. If the unit you defeat has a racial type, you get a unit of that race. Getting Centaur Slaves is pretty cool since they can use the Centaur-Haste to get a second "turn" of work done in one turn.

Take out a Dwarf while running Slavery and the slave you end up with will be a Dwarven slave, etc.

I know how slavery works, it just never connected with dragons. It always kind of got filed away with demon/angel/golem as a special race. So it was an unexpected surprise.

Centaur slaves would also be pretty cool. Y'know if you get them randomly from the slave trade like you get humans/elves/dwarves/orcs/lizardmen

Also, you can't Mind-III Dominate Acheron because he's immune to magic. You can get him with Command I-IV or with an appropriately promoted Beastmaster.

Acheron is a fairly regular capture for me. Probably not worth the effort you need to put in, but it is always a fun little sidequest. So yeah, I get how to capture him.

 

[Merddyn]

I'm personally fond of a bug in Fall Further Plus (haven't used slavery in any other version of FfH) where I'll end up with both a slave AND a worker frequently when I capture a worker.

 

[DirtyFinger]

For some reason I thought of something completely different after reading the topic headline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtgWI_UtMM#0m47s

 

[Bad Player]

In killing Acheron today I got an unexpected surprise. He was turned into a slave. For some reason I'd always assumed dragons couldn't be enslaved.

That merited a tech detour to rage for a shiny new Dragon Berserker. It was damn cool, the dragon race is much stronger than any of the others(except maybe avatar) so while he wasn't as deadly as a captured Acheron would be, he was still probably the most powerful unit in my military.

Anyone else done anything similar?

I'm just getting back into FFH2 - how did u make a dragon slave into a berserker?

 

[popejubal]

Slave -> Lunatic

Lunatic -> Berserker

Even if you can't build a Lunatic, you still can to the bug jump to Berserker.

 

[Tielby]

Even if you can't build a Lunatic, you still can to the bug jump to Berserker.

Or even do the big jump, I'd wager.

 

[Tasunke]

Can you still upgrade a slave to a Lunatic in today's time?

Edit: I checked, and yes, this process is still valid. Whether feasible as a competitive strategy ... yet to be tested.

 

[Fafnir13]

For some reason I thought of something completely different after reading the topic headline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtgWI_UtMM#0m47s

That's where my mind went.

Side note: is it still possible to get a slave even when you capture a unit? I'd rather have Acheron then a Dragon Berserker, but I wouldn't mind both.

 

[arstal]

For some reason I thought of something completely different after reading the topic headline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtgWI_UtMM#0m47s

You weren't the only one. I'm shocked no one has modded one of those in yet.

 

[WarKirby]

Slave capturing needs to only work on living units who are not animal or beast unitcombat.

 

[Bill Bisco]

Slave capturing needs to only work on living units who are not animal or beast unitcombat.

NO! No arbitrary restrictions.

 

[Luckmann]

NO! No arbitrary restrictions.

How's that arbitrary? It makes perfect sense.

 

[Tasunke]

Im pretty sure you can enslave the undead, even if ye be mortal. Thus I think say living or "undead" to be captured. I agree with no animals. I think werewolves could be enslaved, so perhaps say living, non animal, non beast, other than werewolves.

 

[Selrahc]

NO! No arbitrary restrictions.

So demons, angels, golems, illusions and elementals should also be capable of enslavement? If not, why do animals make more sense?

I mean I had fun with the dragon slave, but since there is already a promotion to capture beasts and animals and the concept of capturing lions to do your farming for you is somewhat ludicrous, I'm not sure it really is all that arbitrary.

 

[popejubal]

make more sense?

There are enough complicated things going on in Fall From Heaven already. Barbarian trait civs can't build Libraries. Druids only for Neutral civs. Paladins only for Good Civs. Oh, but you get to keep them even if you switch alignments. But you don't get to keep some other units if you switch religion. But you do get to keep others. And your alignment changes when you switch religions. Except for the times when it doesn't.

Please, no more additional rules for something that "makes sense" if the rule makes things more complicated.

Sometimes more isn't better.

 

[Tasunke]

How bout simply no enslavement of animal, beast, or summoned units. This should weed out MOST of the non-sensical enslavements.

 

[jrandrew]

Not to push my own threads , but I had a thread going here a while back about the varying uses of slaves. And yes, the slave -> Lunatic -> Berserker idea is alive and well, and in fact I believe a very viable and useful strategy for any OO civ. This is doubly true if you are fighting non-human races -- extra dwarven, elven, orcish, or centaur promotions are great!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=315090&highlight=slave

 

[Onionsoilder]

I wonder if you could enslave Auric Ascended...