Dynamic weather disasters to Age shift

[reddishrecue]

It felt somehow really bad when one asteroid destroyed one of your towns, by the end the map was a melting pot of craters, and that is only ONE kind of Apocalypse... that is.. FIRE...
before that there was WATER apocalypse, raising seas, by it was not like huge Tsunamis covering the face of the planet but the Mt- Everest... it just flooded plain tiles and that's it...
The other kind of Apocalypses we know of are WINTER, or ICE, dark skies, no sun... and I still miss one???

I think the old Alien ships in SimCity beaming down laser beams were quite an attraction... these could be replaced by OTHER kinds of asteroids, like COMETS... with fire tails that would vapourize everything in their path, creating desert, nanodiamonds, glass shards, and maybe give birth to a NEW water source as many miths told us???

There's all kind of different creative approaches that could be added-subracted...

That's interesting, I didn't play apocalypse long enough to see all those different types of destructions from different elements.

 

[Vandlys]

That's interesting, I didn't play apocalypse long enough to see all those different types of destructions from different elements.

I think the 'other apocalypses we know of' is meant in a generic 'These are other types of Apocalypse in different cultures that come to mind now'. Of course, there are many more, like undead, plague of illness, animals going rampant, and more.

Most of these topics just feel like streams of consciousness with fanatics trying to frame the discussion so that it becomes a coherent thread.

It felt somehow really bad when one asteroid destroyed one of your towns, by the end the map was a melting pot of craters, and that is only ONE kind of Apocalypse... that is.. FIRE...
before that there was WATER apocalypse, raising seas, by it was not like huge Tsunamis covering the face of the planet but the Mt- Everest... it just flooded plain tiles and that's it...
The other kind of Apocalypses we know of are WINTER, or ICE, dark skies, no sun... and I still miss one???

I think the old Alien ships in SimCity beaming down laser beams were quite an attraction... these could be replaced by OTHER kinds of asteroids, like COMETS... with fire tails that would vapourize everything in their path, creating desert, nanodiamonds, glass shards, and maybe give birth to a NEW water source as many miths told us???

There's all kind of different creative approaches that could be added-subracted...

In Civ VI, the only world-ending events we had were meteor impacts, and major flooding. I don't think it was "just flooded plain tiles" since it could destroy whole districts and even cities. It might not have shown it as graphically as a disaster movie like 2012 or The Day After Tomorrow, but they were extremely impactful from the POV of a Civ citizen.

An ice age could be cool where migrants would move from hit cities to less-affected cities, diminishing happiness in the cities they go to. But it all feels like it would be a gimmick.

For me, I barely saw flooding in Civ VI because when I understood how to counter it I always focused on building flood barriers, and I never saw the meteor strikes unless I deliberately held off victory to see it happen. I don't think they were implemented as well as they could have been.

Also, a comet is not a 'different kind of asteroid' as far as I'm aware.

Edit: "asteroids are rocky, comets are icy, and meteors are much smaller and are the shooting stars that you see up in the sky" < source.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Also, a comet is not a 'different kind of asteroid' as far as I'm aware.

Edit: "asteroids are rocky, comets are icy, and meteors are much smaller and are the shooting stars that you see up in the sky" < source.

Specifically, a comet being a big ball of fast-moving ice of various kinds (it isn't all water, apparently most of them also include methane ice and other volatiles) it provides a whole different kind of disaster.

As in, if one were to hit the ocean (70% chance!) it would form enormous Tsunamis world-wide and add X million tons of water to the biosphere - near-instant rising of ocean levels everywhere.

Pournelle and Niven's best-seller Lucifer's Hammer was a science-fiction novel about such an event, and does a good job of showing the effects, including the change of climate from the addition of enough new water to produce cloud cover over much of the globe. To summarizew with a neat quote:

"The orange is now extinct in southern California"

- along with 90% of the people, who mostly lived on the flatland that became marsh or salt-water swamp.

 

[Krikkit1]

Specifically, a comet being a big ball of fast-moving ice of various kinds (it isn't all water, apparently most of them also include methane ice and other volatiles) it provides a whole different kind of disaster.

As in, if one were to hit the ocean (70% chance!) it would form enormous Tsunamis world-wide and add X million tons of water to the biosphere - near-instant rising of ocean levels everywhere.

Pournelle and Niven's best-seller Lucifer's Hammer was a science-fiction novel about such an event, and does a good job of showing the effects, including the change of climate from the addition of enough new water to produce cloud cover over much of the globe. To summarizew with a neat quote:

"The orange is now extinct in southern California"

- along with 90% of the people, who mostly lived on the flatland that became marsh or salt-water swamp.

Well that same thing would happen with a sufficiently large asteroid…the extra clouds comes from evaporated ocean water and dust much more than any water in a comet (oceans have ~10 million times as much water as halley’s comet)

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Well that same thing would happen with a sufficiently large asteroid…the extra clouds comes from evaporated ocean water and dust much more than any water in a comet (oceans have ~10 million times as much water as halley’s comet)

The biggest danger from any impact, comet or asteroid, would be from an ocean impact, which would vaporize millions of tons of water and produce major climate/weather changes world-wide long-term and major Tsunamiis short-term.

Earth's oceans have far more water than any comet, it is true, but, for an example, the Lake Ojibway Event (around 6200 BCE) dumped several thousand cubic kilometers of water into the north Atlantic, a tiny fraction of the water there already, but it was enough to change coastlines and the weather over most of Europe and the middle east, resulting in colder, wetter climate in Europe and a major long-term drought in Anatolia. Among other consequences, that may have caused the abandoning of several early cities, including Catal Huyok, and the migration of people with new agricultural technologies out of Anatolia and up the Danube corridor into central Europe, the Balkans and Greece: agricultural sites exploiting the new technology very suddenly appear in those areas at about the same time.

It doesn't take a lot (in terms of planetary totals) to tip the balance fatally or fortunately for large segments of the human population.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

I think the 'other apocalypses we know of' is meant in a generic 'These are other types of Apocalypse in different cultures that come to mind now'. Of course, there are many more, like undead, plague of illness, animals going rampant, and more.

Most of these topics just feel like streams of consciousness with fanatics trying to frame the discussion so that it becomes a coherent thread.

Undead? You mean the Zombie mode of Civ VI? What has it to do with dynamic weather???
Maybe some pockets of humans turned cannibal after being isolated for thousands of years, the native American tales of the reddish giants that ate their victims sounds pretty nasty,
but I guess those weren't Undead by any mean...
The pestilecence turned thousands into living deads, but there was a cure, just not enough for everybody...

The 7 sacred oils bears the keys for ancient medicine remedies, the Oil sacred to Kronos, was known to cure Cancer in Indian and Chinese medicine.
It all came out from Africa, developed in India, China, and maybe also the Americas.
The Voodoo lore of the Pirates of the Caribbean is similar, ill sailors that didn't have access to the medicines...

No, really, I meant stuff like the inversion of the Axys, losing the magnetic shield... possible exposure to space radiation could have caused Animals to mutate
and potentially become very aggressive... untill the system would not stabilize again...
These are the other kind of Apocalypsis I had in mind.

Change in the gravitational effect, also could have cause gigantism, and even entire continents to float over water...
some metal rich rock could even have floated in the Air...
If we have to go "altered reality" I'd rather choose some Avatar like kind of scenario, or the Earth turned like Mars is today...
depending on which kind of Apokalipse... or planets alignment...
Today Mars could be hospitable and Earth a dry desert much like Mars or even a Venus like environment...

 

[Vandlys]

Undead? You mean the Zombie mode of Civ VI? What has it to do with dynamic weather???
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I mean, you deviated from the topic yourself when you brought up asteroids. They're hardly a weather phenomenon . Also, I was just trying to structure what you said about "these kind of Apocalypses" to someone misunderstanding about them being in previous Civ games, and brought up general -apocalypses- known in different cultures. Because you started talking about apocalypses, I took that to mean you were also pondering on how different kind of apocalypses would be included in-game.

If we want to be nitpicky about words: dynamic weather shifts, no matter how severe, are not apocalypses, until they are. So far, we've not seen an apocalypse on our world. So yeah, zombies have nothing to do with dynamic weather. Neither have asteroids. Neither have any other apocalypses.

To be honest, it's very hard to have a proper discussion with you when you are very specific about certain terminology having to mean a very specific thing, but then go extremely global and off on tangents when it suits you.