Embassy to C3B, Term 4 -The Eternal Alliance

[Emp.Napoleon]

Hello Hello, and welcome to round three of diplomatic relations. Chats are at 18:00 GMT on Sundays at embassy #3.


Term 3 Embassy

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[Emp.Napoleon]

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[Emp.Napoleon]

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[akots]

We have a new Ambassador. I'm posting her wellcome letter:

Subject: A Presentation Letter
From:<thecatt@terra.com.br>
Date: Sat, August 21, 2004 3:21 pm
To: "CFC" <msdg@civfanatics.net>

To our honored friends of CFC
It is very proudly that I am writing you this letter, intending to present
myself and get in touch again with the members of your government that I
already know, since I have been to the weekly meetings as an ordinary
citizen many times.
My name is Cat and I have just been named the new Ambassador, so I'll have
to be in close contact with your representative EMP and the members of the
government from now on. My hopes for this term as an Ambassador are to help
our civs to grow together and hopefully end the game among the 3 qualified
civs to the last game. In order to do that, my promise to my Minister and my
Government was to do my best to make our alliance stronger and more durable.
If any of your government members should need to get in touch with me, I can
be easily reached through msn, shandistanley@hotmail.com or through email,
in the same address from which this email was sent.
Hoping that we have a long and peaceful coexistence and that the links of
friendship forged by this game will long last
The Cat
Brazilian Ambassador

 

[Ankka]

I saw that too, but you beat me to it.



Looks like Jokker played the turn for C3B last time... if he's the prez it may be our chance to get past them in score again.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

Looks like Jokker played the turn for C3B last time... if he's the prez it may be our chance to get past them in score again.

He is the President, and he may not be that bad , after all Bremp is Minister of Interal Affairs now.

 

[akots]

IMO, they rely heavily on Bremp in terms of micromanagement and other important issues and Joker is a somewhat phony president in terms of turn playing. His strength is on the political arena.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

IMO, they rely heavily on Bremp in terms of micromanagement and other important issues and Joker is a somewhat phony president in terms of turn playing. His strength is on the political arena.

Joker plays the C3B equivolent of our GOTM, and is in their internal democracy game (multi team). But yes, he is very skilled at diplomancy.

 

[Rik Meleet]

I think we got some real good result here; we've gotten a lot and gave nothing.
We got: C3B is going to explore north quickly, as it is very likely they have a lot of land there, which could influence the location of the border between our nations.
We got: Dedication that C3B will not settle south of Recife for 10 turns. We will not settle north of "Kazad Dum" either, but we weren't going to in 10 turns anyway. This way we preveted C3B settling into an area that might go to us in total.
We got: C3B is considering building the Great Lib + the Great Lighthouse for denial -> you want someone else to build it for denial, not yourself.
We got: a lux trade of Incense for Ivory without risking SoZ.
We got: Them to discuss agreeing with the tech-sharing. That way we will get their Monarchy the turn it's finished.

We gave: nothing really.

See for yourselves.

[20:21:34] <TheCat> so, what's in our list for today?
[20:21:52] * TheCat tries to organizes all those notes
[20:26:15] <RikMeleet> done ?
[20:26:32] <TheCat> yes, was also putting the announce for my people of where the chat is going on
[20:26:38] <TheCat> so they can join if they want
[20:26:55] <TheCat> now I guess I am ready...
[20:27:21] <TheCat> so, Krasan gave me some notes and we should discuss borders and free tech deal mainly today
[20:27:39] <RikMeleet> What about the 8 cities C3B is donating us ??
[20:27:46] <TheCat> hahaha not happening, sorry
[20:28:07] <TheCat> We could think of it after we take over the other continent though
[20:28:16] <EMP> so, did C3B ratify the super tech deal
[20:28:21] <Pegster|Idle> you can get the viking's land
[20:28:29] <Pegster|Idle> we take the two others'
[20:28:30] <TheCat> not yet, the voting is currently very slow
[20:28:35] * Pegster|Idle is now known as Pegster
[20:28:40] <TheCat> lol Pegster
[20:29:04] <EMP> when can we instpect a desicion?
[20:29:34] <TheCat> probably next chat it should be done, I got the feeling that it is mainly depending on the borders decision we take
[20:29:50] <TheCat> It is kind of boring to have to wait for votings, but it is democracy after all : )
[20:29:52] <RikMeleet> Has C3B a lot ofd land to it's north ?
[20:29:58] <akots> These 2 agreements are independent from each other
[20:30:05] <EMP> well tell me ASAP, regardless of the chat, I wanna get it going soon
[20:30:11] <TheCat> We don't know for sure HOW MUCH. I believe that soon you guys should know more than us
[20:30:28] <akots> And one (tech deal) has been suggested and approved by joker
[20:30:32] <TheCat> Sure are akots... but people tend to tie things in their heads... they want to be able to trust
[20:31:19] <akots> well, they have entrusted joker with Presidential position
[20:31:21] <TheCat> and the borders deal is something we have been trying to settle since a long time ago, to avoid a run for territory... people are worried about that too
[20:31:32] <TheCat> Joker couldn't ratify the deal without a voting
[20:31:39] <TheCat> that is not up to a President in C3B
[20:31:45] <TheCat> and for all I talked to him last night, he didn't do so
[20:32:04] <EMP> hasn't that vote gone for about 5 days?
[20:32:15] <TheCat> yes and it is slow, only 40% of people have voted
[20:32:31] <EMP> you need a pecentage>
[20:32:32] <akots> well, in general, as it goes, the deal approved by the President has to be honored untill ratification or disapproval of the deal by the citizens
[20:32:34] <EMP> ?
[20:32:58] <TheCat> we would need everyone, but in case some people are missing we could make do with something over 70% which would be fair
[20:33:05] <akots> however, certainly, law in various teams might differ
[20:33:32] <TheCat> The President did not approve the deal... he played his turn yesterday and saw map making sent to us and he refused and asked me to tell you guys that it was a proof of faith, since we didn't have the agreement yet
[20:33:55] <TheCat> In C3B he HAS to wait for hte voting, it is a democracy
[20:34:37] <akots> There is no word "faith" or "trust" in the treaty, it is all about tech trading
[20:34:48] <TheCat> and it is not ratified
[20:34:49] <TheCat> yet
[20:35:13] <RikMeleet> When will it be ratified (roughly) ?
[20:35:15] <akots> still it has been discussed and agreed upon hence must be honored before the vote has finished
[20:35:17] <TheCat> however, you are quite right, those words do not apply in treaties... I can understand your point.
[20:35:39] <TheCat> It should or shouldn't be ratified by the end of next week, obbeying the people's will
[20:36:14] <TheCat> C3B Government never did nor never will do something the people do not agree... that is the whole point of the game, I guess
[20:36:32] <akots> OK, we can wait but really this makes little sense to me
[20:36:47] <akots> IMO, we should build galleys and prepare invasion to the other continent
[20:36:59] <TheCat> I can understand what you mean, and remember, it might make little sense to me or Joker or Krasan... but it has to make sense to the people...
[20:37:14] <TheCat> We are but employees to the rest of the people in C3B
[20:38:14] <TheCat> The galleys should be filled with Ancient Cavalry and Immortals, so we have to produce them in big numbers beforehand... or we would have empty galleys : )
[20:38:58] <akots> It all must go in coordination
[20:39:04] <TheCat> As I understand, you guys haven't finished SoZ yet
[20:39:09] <TheCat> am I right?
[20:39:12] <akots> well, bremp knows very well how to do this : )

[20:39:13] * TheCat checks notes
[20:39:39] <TheCat> I'm pretty sure he does, that is why he was elected for Internal Affairs... Bremp is one of the best players in Brazil and in the world
[20:39:44] <akots> we still have a few turns before the great statue emerges
[20:39:52] <TheCat> do you know how many turns?
[20:40:21] <akots> the city building it will grow in size soon, so at most 7 turns
[20:40:32] <TheCat> good, a great timing
[20:40:44] <akots> but this is highly classified information
[20:40:55] <RikMeleet> Great timing ?? What do you mean ?
[20:41:00] <TheCat> obviously, as much of the info we give you
[20:41:12] <TheCat> I meant it was built very fast, RikMeleet
[20:41:33] <akots> apparently, great timing so that we can revolt to Monarchy after the statue is finished : )
[20:41:46] <RikMeleet> Speaking about Timing; When will Monarchy be researched ?
[20:41:52] <TheCat> we are researching monarchy and should have it in 10 turns
[20:42:22] <TheCat> and that brings me to the thought... the fist idea was to exchange monarchy for map making and another tech.. is that right?
[20:42:25] <akots> It appears that you are also trying to save some cash to upgrade the warriors : )
[20:42:43] <TheCat> actually no, we don't need to upgrade the warriors, since we are building many immortals
[20:43:03] <TheCat> but we do have to keep our cities not revolted, so we are working at the best rate. We want Monarchy asap
[20:43:29] <RikMeleet> TheCat; If I remember correctly the treaty said something about sharing all techs.
[20:43:37] <EMP> yes
[20:43:43] <EMP> THat is what I want
[20:43:47] <RikMeleet> Not trading them
[20:43:55] <TheCat> Rik: the free tech deal, yes... but while it is not active we were working with equal costly techs
[20:44:22] <EMP> does it matter, we will share all at some time or another
[20:44:37] <TheCat> Does not to me,... but I am not the player, the entire C3B is
[20:45:12] <TheCat> We are doing our best in the government to do things right and to make the people calm, but we have another party which is pretty different from us and they do keep people agitated
[20:45:29] <TheCat> For example, people DO want to see the borders deal ratified
[20:45:43] <RikMeleet> Ban them ! (Rik likes being a mod)
[20:45:49] <akots> what are their reasons?
[20:45:55] <TheCat> one thing has nothing to do with the other, but they feel better if it is ratified and the rival party says you guys have no interest in it
[20:46:00] <EMP> yay, let's go void the constitituion!
[20:46:04] <TheCat> so we will prove them wrong and people will be happy
[20:46:12] <akots> What do they want?
[20:46:35] <akots> I mean what is their explanation for their persistence?
[20:46:42] <TheCat> What we proposed is a border deal - which we already sent to you guys - which could be changed at every chat... but at least it'd be there, in order to prevent a run for territory
[20:46:52] <TheCat> That is the explanation
[20:47:09] <akots> OK, official statement:
[20:47:28] <akots> WE ARE NOT RUNNING FOR TERRITORY
[20:47:42] <EMP>
[20:47:45] <TheCat> nor are we. But the border would ratify it
[20:48:02] <akots> I don't think so in the long run
[20:48:14] <EMP> I think we should make a pernament border after exploration is done
[20:48:22] <TheCat> not in the long run, I agree... but for now, and in order to help us have the free tech deal approved, yes
[20:48:23] <akots> what we can do is make a short-term agreement
[20:48:32] <EMP> this way, we don't have problems, since neither of us are running for land
[20:48:42] <akots> that is for 10 turns and to be renewed after 10 turns
[20:48:48] <akots> and so every 10 turns
[20:48:52] <TheCat> Yes, akots... that was the idea to begin with... this is why Joker said it could be changed at will
[20:49:33] <akots> May be your other citizens would be sick and tired of constant voting and would just give up
[20:49:34] <TheCat> 10 turns sounds very fair
[20:50:00] <TheCat> and as Emp says once we have explored all we'll have a definitive border
[20:50:36] <akots> the only obstacle I see in this case is that someone places a city so that the border cannot be moved after 10 turns
[20:50:38] <TheCat> I'm hoping that by then we got enough immortals and AC to fill the galleys : )
[20:51:09] <TheCat> Well, that sounds like an obstacle to me, we could revert to the first plan of DMZ and use it as border?
[20:51:14] <akots> so wider border would be an option
[20:51:16] <TheCat> leaving a big space in the middle?
[20:51:24] <akots> yep, sort of DMZ
[20:51:29] <TheCat> sounds good
[20:51:32] <akots> which cannot be settled
[20:51:37] <EMP> but will it close up every 10 turns
[20:51:39] <EMP> ?
[20:51:48] <akots> it should not
[20:51:53] <TheCat> it would change - or not - in 10 turns... be revised
[20:52:09] <RikMeleet> Some of our citizens are concerned that you are expanding towards us. Fortaleza and recife are settled in our direction.
[20:52:14] <akots> this might leave both teams a space for potential expansion in that DMZ
[20:52:34] <akots> So, it is not just a line
[20:52:34] <TheCat> We do not intend to do that. Unless there was a run for territory but that MUSTN'T happen between us
[20:52:50] <akots> but a zone limited with 2 lines
[20:52:56] <TheCat> yes
[20:53:01] <TheCat> sounds good...
[20:53:05] <akots> one on the side of C3B and another on the side of CFC
[20:53:36] <TheCat> Is there a way we could have a draw of your idea soon?
[20:53:59] <TheCat> Because as soon as we finish it, as soon as we will get the free tech voted and voted yes, if everything goes right and the people are ok

[20:55:01] <akots> We would have to discuss this in the forum and might come up with some result for the next chat
[20:55:26] <akots> The idea has been discussed some time ago but was not so popular
[20:55:31] <TheCat> Ok, we will wait for your suggestion then, before we present one. May I suggest you take a look at the ideas for DMZ?
[20:55:44] <TheCat> The lines seemed good to me
[20:57:55] <EMP> wait, about this border, it will be two lines not one right
[20:57:56] <EMP> ?
[20:58:01] <TheCat> yes
[20:58:05] <akots> We have to pull out some old thread where we have some drawings
[20:58:06] <TheCat> one line at each side
[20:58:17] <akots> and then select a few of them and poll each
[20:58:28] <akots> and then may make an offer to you
[20:58:30] <TheCat> akots: I guess I have the drawings here somewhere, let me know if you need them and I might be able to mail them to you
[20:58:47] <akots> which you in turn can discuss, make alternative offer, and we would poll it then
[20:59:11] <akots> You cannot mail maps: ) It is a violation of the UN rules
[20:59:11] <TheCat> The suggestion to get the old DMZ drawings was because we had already voted those... so it would speed the proccess
[20:59:29] <akots> well, we have voted but it was inconclusive
[20:59:52] <TheCat> I didn't intend to mail maps : ) I intend to mail drawings
[20:59:56] <TheCat> didn't know it was forbidden
[21:00:01] <RikMeleet> But so much has changed between C3B and CFC, so much more knowledge of the land has been found. And more discoveries are imminent.
[21:00:18] <RikMeleet> Will those old plans still do ?
[21:00:41] <TheCat> They were kind of in the middle, that is why I suggested them... but if you guys have something better, it is fine
[21:00:54] <TheCat> I just wanted to try and speed it up because you wanted the free tech soon and so do I : )
[21:01:06] * RikMeleet thought they weren't connected
[21:01:11] <TheCat> sheesh
[21:01:15] <TheCat> yet again.. no they aren't
[21:01:24] <RikMeleet> ok
[21:01:30] <TheCat> but my people ARE waiting for the borders deal in order to decide for free tech
[21:01:51] <RikMeleet> hmmm
[21:01:56] <TheCat> and of course we want to have things settled asap... we all do
[21:02:58] <RikMeleet> nice choice of wording "settled"
[21:03:05] <TheCat> lol
[21:03:21] <TheCat> don't even know if it would be appropriated but sounded good
[21:03:26] <TheCat> <-- is not native amercian

 

[Rik Meleet]

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[21:03:36] <RikMeleet> just out of curiosity; how many tiles will be between the 2 lines ?
[21:03:50] <TheCat> We don't have a plan for it... as many as you guys judge to be necessary
[21:04:11] <TheCat> that is why I asked if you could send us a drawing, a proposal
[21:04:43] <RikMeleet> Has C3B scouted evrey tile between our and your lands. The UN forbids maps etc.
[21:05:15] <TheCat> I am not sure since I don't have the map but I believe we have enough knowledge of the territory that we can settle things by referring to places like a mountain, a barb camp or whatever
[21:05:27] <TheCat> We could back then, when we discussed the DMZ
[21:05:31] <TheCat> and we have explored more since then
[21:05:57] <RikMeleet> yeah
[21:06:25] <TheCat> That shouldn't be a problem/
[21:06:25] <RikMeleet> You've seen the Tobacco ?
[21:06:38] <TheCat> Let me see if I got an updated map
[21:06:43] <RikMeleet> please
[21:06:52] <TheCat> it should be in our forum somehwere lol
[21:06:53] <TheCat> hold on
[21:08:18] <TheCat> we can see where your newest city is...
[21:09:03] <RikMeleet> ok.
[21:09:09] <TheCat> where you guys got a JT
[21:09:13] * RikMeleet is finding a map as well
[21:09:31] <TheCat> and a warrior : )
[21:09:43] <TheCat> our warrior is currently in the middle of both
[21:10:17] <RikMeleet> just 1 more sec...
[21:10:23] <TheCat> np
[21:10:27] <TheCat> I know how difficult it is
[21:10:28] <TheCat> lol
[21:10:50] <RikMeleet> and further north, let's say to Recife. Is that all known to you ?
[21:11:18] <TheCat> checking the map near Recife
[21:11:20] <TheCat> hold on
[21:12:11] <TheCat> we got cities to the north, as your curragh probably showed
[21:12:49] <RikMeleet> I mean between your warrior in the south and Recife; have you explored every land tiles there ?
[21:13:34] <TheCat> yes we pretty much did
[21:13:42] <RikMeleet> ok
[21:14:15] <TheCat> do you guys know that territory well?
[21:14:27] <RikMeleet> So the lands south of a horizontal line through Recife and a horizontal line through your warrior is know to you !
[21:14:29] <TheCat> it would be easy to find a good place for the borders in there if that is the case
[21:14:58] <TheCat> yes a good part of it
[21:15:06] <TheCat> some blanks but nothing that could be bad
[21:15:07] <RikMeleet> We need to know what you know, wo we won't reveal map info that's illegal.
[21:15:14] <RikMeleet> blanks are bad
[21:15:19] <TheCat> I know, I'm trying to help you here : )
[21:15:29] <TheCat> Well, maybe you have explored those blanks and can tell me what they are?
[21:15:59] <Pegster> we are not allowed to do that, iirc
[21:16:12] <RikMeleet> We know the border-area, but you have still blind spots. That means a discussion on borders would reveal into to you. That is not allowed until printing press.
[21:16:12] <TheCat> hmm not by map, maybe by words?
[21:16:27] <TheCat> if we do settle borders like...
[21:16:32] <TheCat> right below recife
[21:16:36] <TheCat> and right above your city
[21:16:38] <TheCat> how could it be bad?
[21:16:47] <RikMeleet> we have to stick to vague terms that way, but it could work
[21:17:05] <TheCat> yeah I think it could, it is not a HUGE territory after all
[21:17:52] <RikMeleet> Huge . It looks big to us.
[21:18:11] <RikMeleet> You know we are on a peninsula.
[21:18:13] <TheCat> Not huge that we won't be able to discuss the borders and get lost
[21:18:49] <TheCat> We don't know yet, our curragh should show it soon
[21:18:59] <RikMeleet> your Curragh will reveal our lands soon enough. Than you will understand us better.
[21:19:04] <EMP> you guys got all of that land up north, so we should accout for that
[21:19:09] <TheCat> but the fact that we don't know even our territory yet is the reason why the border would be renegotiated often
[21:19:28] <RikMeleet> If you have land to the north, a border far south isn't fair
[21:19:33] <TheCat> We don't want anything to be unfair, so renegotiable borders would be fair : )
[21:19:49] <RikMeleet> Why haven't you explored northwards with your curraghs ?
[21:19:59] <TheCat> we don't have many curraghs.
[21:20:11] <TheCat> we sent a warrior but it is slow as you know
[21:20:24] <EMP> then make more! Enslave the citizens, MORE SHIPS!
[21:20:29] <TheCat> hahahahahah
[21:20:42] <Pegster> heh
[21:20:45] <TheCat> We are not enslavers... unless you want to send us some captured barbarians??
[21:20:57] <EMP> , or use that other party
[21:21:02] <TheCat> hahahahahaha
[21:21:07] <TheCat> don't think they'd like it
[21:21:13] <TheCat> democracy remember?
[21:21:28] <RikMeleet> good point > barbarians. We can't give you barabarians slaves unless e can hunt them. Do you know any good barb camps ?
[21:21:45] <TheCat> no, we didn't see any aside from the one you guys pointed
[21:21:58] <TheCat> we might as well have some hidden ones, but didn't see them yet
[21:22:45] <RikMeleet> You've send a warrior north ? Did he reveal anything ?
[21:22:49] <TheCat> maybe if we do find any in our territory then we could negotiate that a JT would come and capture and share with us
[21:22:59] <TheCat> not yet... slow warrio
[21:23:17] <RikMeleet> Can I ask you a favor ?
[21:23:23] <TheCat> ofcourse
[21:24:02] <RikMeleet> You urga us to quickly discuss borders. I ask you to quikly explore northwards so both C3B and CFC know how big this continent is.
[21:24:17] <RikMeleet> A galley is quick
[21:24:20] <TheCat> no problem... as I said, we have every intention to make it fair
[21:24:48] <TheCat> but we don't have mm and for now we'll have to wait so we can exchange normally... all we can do is to send a warrior and a galley up there
[21:25:15] <RikMeleet> In the meantime; please do not build any cities south of Recife. You still have locations you can build cities.
[21:25:25] <TheCat> I think akots suggestion of 10 turns is great for a border, and for 10 turns we can speed the exploring
[21:25:54] <TheCat> I can tell people that... but they'd probably ask you guys not to found any cities up north
[21:26:04] <RikMeleet> 1 sec
[21:26:22] <EMP> I think we are done going north for a little while, we need more settlers
[21:26:47] <TheCat> this is what I want to avoid with borders.. .without borders, our people might think we need more cities to the south and it will suck
[21:27:12] <TheCat> so for now, we avoid founding anything south recife and north your city
[21:27:18] <TheCat> that would be good for both?
[21:27:35] <RikMeleet> So TheCat: For 10 turns you explore north; we will discuss borders and C3B will not build south of Recife and CFC not north of the town on the plains-land-bridge !!! ok ?
[21:27:43] <TheCat> deal
[21:28:08] <EMP> ok, akots, rember this whiel you play the save
[21:28:12] <TheCat> in 10 turns we will talk about borders
[21:28:15] <TheCat> again
[21:28:16] <TheCat> lol
[21:28:24] <RikMeleet> After 10 turns we evaluate the border and the C3B lands and can offer a fair deal to both.
[21:28:29] <TheCat> good
[21:28:49] <TheCat> it is also good for us, we want to see your territory and if you got islands and etc
[21:28:53] <RikMeleet> But as always : people decide , right ?
[21:28:59] <TheCat> of course, what else is new
[21:29:06] <RikMeleet> this is new :
[21:29:33] <RikMeleet> Cat - "Vengance is best when the blood is still hot."
[21:29:41] <TheCat> hahahahah what's so wrong about my line
[21:29:45] <TheCat> <-- plays Vampire
[21:29:51] <Pegster> VtM?
[21:29:55] <TheCat> yep
[21:29:56] <RikMeleet> not very suitable in political discussions
[21:29:57] <Pegster> ooo
[21:29:57] <TheCat> <-- Tremere
[21:30:01] <Pegster> nice
[21:30:12] <RikMeleet> Any other Agenda points ?
[21:30:13] <TheCat> sheesh I don't use my msn for political discussions... I use IRC : )
[21:30:19] * RikMeleet will be quiet again
[21:30:40] <Pegster> <-- Ravnos
[21:30:45] <TheCat> cool!
[21:30:46] <Pegster> in my only campaign so far
[21:30:58] <Pegster> haven't played much
[21:30:59] <TheCat> I am a Master sometimes but I enjoy playing better : )
[21:31:04] <EMP> I have one more thing
[21:31:34] <TheCat> What is it Emp?
[21:31:37] <EMP> about the Great lgihthose
[21:31:44] <EMP> lihthouse
[21:31:50] <TheCat> Great Lighthouse... it wasn't in my notes!
[21:31:52] <TheCat> lol
[21:31:53] <Pegster> Mage is more fun that vampire though
[21:31:54] <EMP> whatever it is called
[21:31:58] <TheCat> Was it in discussion before?
[21:32:00] <EMP> I just though of it
[21:32:11] <TheCat> ohhh ok
[21:32:13] <TheCat> go ahead then
[21:32:15] <EMP> if someone on the other continant builds it, it can mean bad things for us
[21:32:24] <EMP> as in they can attack us
[21:32:36] <TheCat> Well, it is kind of the same with the Great Library... I intended to tell you guys about it
[21:32:44] <EMP> but If we build it they can/t have it
[21:33:23] <TheCat> Yes, it is the same point with the GL... if someone in the other continent builds it, they can have our techs
[21:33:29] <TheCat> since we are sharing
[21:33:38] <EMP> yes yes
[21:33:50] <EMP> well I think the great library is more importnat then Grea light
[21:34:01] <TheCat> I don't know, both are important
[21:34:08] <TheCat> I wonder if the passage to the other continent is easy
[21:35:03] <EMP> with teh greal light it is
[21:35:20] <TheCat> you know where it is? With a galley it might be too
[21:36:44] <EMP> no we don't
[21:36:48] <EMP> but that is my thought
[21:37:09] <TheCat> Well, we have to find it somewhere
[21:37:10] <TheCat> lol
[21:37:24] <RikMeleet> Is C3B going to build any Wonders ?
[21:37:51] <TheCat> It wasn't in the plans yet the last time we talked. But we are worried about the GL falling in other people's hands
[21:38:11] <RikMeleet> GL -> Great Lib or Great Light ?
[21:38:16] <TheCat> Great Library
[21:38:25] <TheCat> we hadn't thought about the Great Lighthouse
[21:38:30] <TheCat> but it is another thought
[21:39:16] <TheCat> For all I remember Joker said something about a wonder and that he had discussed with you guys which one it was, when we talked about the SoZ but we are not producing it for all I know
[21:39:33] * TheCat checking notes
[21:39:46] <TheCat> it is so complicated to take over someone else's job
[21:39:47] <TheCat> lol
[21:39:54] <RikMeleet> yes
[21:40:15] <TheCat> no, really we are not building anything.
[21:40:31] <TheCat> You are building the SoZ only right?
[21:40:34] <RikMeleet> Well, that could be on the agenda for the next chat.
[21:40:43] <RikMeleet> Yes we are building SoZ
[21:40:45] <TheCat> yes, wonders and building or not
[21:40:53] <TheCat> good agenda and something important to be discussed
[21:41:11] <RikMeleet> CFC (and I suppose C3B) should both be worrid about the Great Lib & the Great Light.
[21:41:20] <EMP> very worried
[21:41:37] <TheCat> Yes, the Great Library was something that worried us... the Great Lighthouse didn't come to mind but you are right, it is dangerous too
[21:42:15] <EMP> we need to build as many of those bad wonders as possable
[21:42:28] <TheCat> to avoid that they do...
[21:42:41] <TheCat> but we have to do it in a way that won't slow down our growth too
[21:42:53] <TheCat> so, I'll have to talk to Bremp lol
[21:43:33] <RikMeleet> It could be the other continent holds 3 nations. We are lucky we are friends. No urgancy to build many units, so we can build Wonders perhaps. Let's use our combined strengths to stop the others from getting "our" wonders.
[21:44:02] <EMP> well there iwll only be 2 soon
[21:44:03] <TheCat> But if akots intends to go to the other continent with armies we gotta have them too
[21:44:17] <akots> I'm strongly against wonders as prbably Bremp is since we have already ******** our growth enough with SoZ
[21:44:43] <TheCat> I don't know his position on that, I'll have to talk to him as soon as he is online
[21:44:43] <akots> It is only 200 shields but still the effect on growth is devastating.
[21:44:53] <TheCat> but it is something important to think about, the possibility that they get those wonders
[21:45:01] <EMP> yes yes
[21:45:02] <RikMeleet> TheCat: see CFC still has some internal debating to do. I propose that both nations think about this as next weeks agenda-point ...
[21:45:16] <TheCat> Good, it is a great point for next week
[21:45:31] <TheCat> and we will push the definitive border for 10 turns while we have that agreement
[21:46:04] <akots> However, in this game growth may be not a very high priority and we can still consider building the Lighthouse but would we prefer some more galleys and units instead?
[21:46:33] <RikMeleet> akots: we'll discuss that in CFC
[21:46:36] <TheCat> it is something we must think about
[21:47:34] <RikMeleet> Any other agenda-points ?
[21:47:54] <TheCat> hmmmm
[21:48:07] <TheCat> Let me check
[21:48:51] <TheCat> question... what are you guys researching now?
[21:49:03] <RikMeleet> We just got Mapmaking
[21:49:15] <TheCat> yep I was asking about the next
[21:49:29] <akots> Research has been set to Code of Laws
[21:49:38] <TheCat> cool
[21:49:45] <TheCat> we gotta have that written somewhere
[21:49:54] <akots> estimated arrival time may be around 12 turns or less
[21:50:03] <TheCat> monarchy should be here in less
[21:50:23] <TheCat> 10 t is the estimated
[21:50:26] <TheCat> but could be less
[21:50:45] <TheCat> and akots...
[21:50:49] <RikMeleet> 10 turns ??? Wow it'll be a lot of decisions after 10 turns.
[21:50:54] <TheCat> you guys definitely going to Monarchy right?
[21:51:12] <TheCat> Rik: sure will... we wish we could research faster, we are eager to go into Monarchy
[21:51:26] <akots> yes, we polled and decided to revolt to Monarchy
[21:51:34] <TheCat> cool
[21:51:45] <TheCat> so will we

 

[Rik Meleet]

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[21:51:56] <RikMeleet> Have you got any spare luxuries ?
[21:52:14] <TheCat> checking
[21:52:43] * TheCat hates maps
[21:52:44] <TheCat> no
[21:52:57] <TheCat> if we did we could research faster
[21:53:22] <RikMeleet> : (
[21:53:26] <TheCat> : (
[21:53:33] <EMP> : (
[21:53:41] <TheCat> we got one incense linked
[21:53:46] <TheCat> and the other is not linked
[21:53:57] <RikMeleet> 2 incense ?
[21:53:57] <RikMeleet> : )
[21:54:09] <EMP> yay, more hppy people
[21:54:12] <TheCat> yeah and we had proposed to exchange it with your spare ivory
[21:54:15] <TheCat> but you didn't want to
[21:54:28] <RikMeleet> We have Ivory on offer. If you connect the 2nd Incnese and build a harbor, we can trade luxuries
[21:54:45] <RikMeleet> WE didn't want to ??
[21:54:53] <TheCat> We wanted to exchange earlier but you guys said not before the SoZ
[21:55:03] <TheCat> so we didn't even link it
[21:55:14] <RikMeleet> We couldn't, we need a harbor and you need a harbor
[21:55:24] <TheCat> roads would do... though it is far
[21:55:39] <TheCat> but the harbor is pretty accessible now
[21:55:51] <RikMeleet> roads are dangerous with pillaging barbarians
[21:55:55] <TheCat> rue
[21:56:00] <TheCat> I'll set it to begin the harbor
[21:56:10] <TheCat> as soon as we exchange MM
[21:56:36] <RikMeleet> We're going to build a harbor soon.
[21:56:36] <RikMeleet> I hope
[21:56:44] <TheCat> lol we too... I hope
[21:57:00] <TheCat> and then we'll get the incense linked and exchange with you guys
[21:57:16] <RikMeleet> We can trade luxuries in about 10 turns
[21:57:24] <RikMeleet> WOW Again 10 turns !!! : )
[21:57:30] <TheCat> it'll take us a bit longer since we gotta exchange with you the MM
[21:57:38] <EMP> 10 is a cool number
[21:57:41] <TheCat> LOL 10 turns for monarchy here
[21:58:11] * Rubarb has joined #demogame_cfc_embassy3
[21:58:12] <RikMeleet> Magic 10
[21:58:21] <TheCat> lol
[21:58:28] <RikMeleet> Who is Rubarb ?
[21:58:29] <TheCat> can we expect a great surprise in 10 turns?^
[21:58:37] <RikMeleet> TheCat: wait please
[21:58:38] <akots> If we are able to trade luxuries before revolution, that would greatly decrease the burden of Anarchy on both our nations
[21:58:45] <akots> This is of vital importance
[21:58:48] <RikMeleet> Who is Rubarb ??
[21:59:10] <Pegster> hi Rubarb
[21:59:12] <TheCat> true akots, we should put our efforts into it
[21:59:22] <TheCat> with luxuries we could research faster : )

<enter unwanted guest. Took some time to get rid of him>

[22:09:10] <EMP> so shall we continue
[22:09:11] <TheCat> what a mess
[22:09:15] <akots> OK, we're safe now
[22:09:18] * RikMeleet is now known as Rik_[afk]
[22:09:20] <TheCat> wouldn't it be easier to have ops on the channel?
[22:09:21] <TheCat> lol
[22:09:35] <akots> No, we must act fairly to the users
[22:09:36] <EMP> we do, ankka
[22:09:50] <akots> what if he were a team member?
[22:09:53] <EMP> he runs this channel, but he is not here
[22:09:56] <akots> just recently registered?
[22:09:59] <TheCat> wouldn't you guys know it?
[22:10:05] <EMP> why would a team member not respond
[22:10:09] <TheCat> yeaj
[22:10:16] <akots> lousy connection
[22:10:17] <TheCat> I mean our team members would simply identify themselves
[22:10:19] <EMP> well, should we inform the UN?
[22:10:24] <akots> may be he's from Russia : )
[22:10:33] <EMP>
[22:10:34] <akots> Strider is a UN guy
[22:10:36] <TheCat> jhahahahahaha
[22:10:48] <TheCat> well ok back to business
[22:11:03] <TheCat> I think we did end all the points scheduled for today?
[22:11:05] <EMP> wait, he works for the administrators?
[22:11:42] <EMP> I thought fortyJ did everything
[22:11:46] <EMP>
[22:12:12] <TheCat> Big decisions for today... we settled temporary borders above your city and below ours
[22:12:27] <akots> We have a severe thunderstorm warning, I have to turn off the PC. Last time I left it on, the power supply burned and HDD, DVD, and modem with it.
[22:12:33] <TheCat> So no city may be built in that area until we settle permanent ones right?
[22:12:41] <EMP> farwell Mr. PResident
[22:12:50] <TheCat> it was a pleasure, akots, as always
[22:12:54] * Rik_[afk] is now known as RikMeleet
[22:12:55] <Pegster> cya akots
[22:13:25] <RikMeleet> Sorry; had to watch the olympic 100 meter final.
[22:13:31] <TheCat> lol ok Rik
[22:13:35] <TheCat> help me here to revise our points
[22:14:04] * RikMeleet hopes the list isn't so long anymore ....
[22:14:09] <TheCat> nope
[22:14:17] <TheCat> the temnporary borders established....
[22:14:18] <akots> Thanks for the chat, see you next week. Buy all.
[22:14:28] <TheCat> 10 turns waiting for perm
[22:14:31] <TheCat> that right?
[22:14:33] <RikMeleet> cya akots
[22:14:44] * akots has quit IRC (Quit: )
[22:14:48] <RikMeleet> perm ?
[22:14:52] <TheCat> permanent : )
[22:15:02] <TheCat> sorry I tend to abbreviate things
[22:15:03] <TheCat> lol
[22:15:30] <EMP>
[22:15:47] <RikMeleet> 10 turns. In those 10 turns CFC thinks what borders they propose; C3B scouts north and no cities south of Recife and north of the plain-brige-city.
[22:15:57] <TheCat> cool
[22:16:11] <TheCat> until then, no cities above Kazad Dum and below Recife
[22:16:21] <TheCat> coold
[22:16:25] * TheCat writing
[22:16:29] <TheCat> then...
[22:16:30] <RikMeleet> After 10 turns we compare land-sizes and decide a formal "no-cities-area"
[22:16:36] <TheCat> no problem
[22:16:54] <TheCat> now, incense for ivory... you guys will begin a harbor
[22:17:10] <RikMeleet> In 10 turns C3B learns Monarchy. A trade for techs-agreement is made by then
[22:17:11] <TheCat> we will begin it as soon as we get mm
[22:17:27] <RikMeleet> Incense and Ivory are made tradeable
[22:17:30] <TheCat> alright, we will make a trade for cost
[22:17:43] <RikMeleet> And C3B and CFC think about GL and GL .
[22:17:47] <TheCat> good
[22:17:48] <EMP> yes yes
[22:17:53] <TheCat> and next chat will have Great things to talk about
[22:17:54] <TheCat> lol
[22:17:57] <RikMeleet> That's about it, I believe
[22:18:03] <TheCat> yes it is...
[22:18:04] <TheCat> sheesh
[22:18:08] <EMP> well Mrs. Cat, you are doing good as ambassidor, this chat was very productive, we look fowared to seeing you again
[22:18:40] <TheCat> Thank you Emp and I apologize if I didn't do very good but I was nervous
[22:18:41] <TheCat> lol
[22:18:47] * RikMeleet has had fun
[22:18:49] <TheCat> and My Minister wasn't even here to support me
[22:19:08] <RikMeleet> Just 1 thing cat :
[22:19:10] <TheCat> I had fun too Rik and you are a great person to talk to : )
[22:19:13] <EMP> nor was mine
[22:19:35] <RikMeleet> I know we should consult the people, but it is vital for us to not build cities in the agreed area for 10 turns.
[22:19:46] <TheCat> we will not, you have my word for it
[22:19:50] <TheCat> We have an agreement
[22:20:05] * RikMeleet shakes hands on it with TheCat
[22:20:07] <TheCat> My government is bound by my word
[22:20:18] * TheCat shakes hands
[22:20:25] <EMP> see guys, I should have that kind of power too
[22:20:28] <EMP>
[22:20:33] <TheCat> lol actually I don't have it Emp
[22:20:38] <TheCat> I shouldn't, at least
[22:20:44] <TheCat> but since no one else from the government is here
[22:20:48] <TheCat> I am authorized to do it
[22:21:19] <TheCat> It only depended on me, to call the responsability... if any of you guys do build a city in there, I'll probably get fired
[22:21:21] <TheCat> LOL
[22:21:25] <TheCat> I'm risking my position
[22:21:39] <EMP> at lest my people can't kick me out
[22:21:44] <RikMeleet> Music Time !!
[22:21:46] <TheCat> well my people would
[22:21:47] <TheCat> LOL
[22:21:52] * RikMeleet is now Playing:4 John Hyatt - Have a little faith in me
[22:21:56] <TheCat> hahahaha
[22:22:03] <TheCat> I will trust your word Rik
[22:22:05] <TheCat> and akots
[22:22:07] <TheCat> : )
[22:22:25] * Pegster mp3: Rage Against The Machine - Ashes In The Fall
[22:22:38] <TheCat> now guys if you will excuse me, I'll have to post the log to the forum
[22:22:38] <TheCat> : )
[22:22:40] <Pegster> what kind of music is John Hyatt?
[22:22:42] <TheCat> and it has been a pleasure to talk to you
[22:22:47] <EMP> farwell!
[22:22:50] <RikMeleet> I agree, TheCat
[22:22:53] <Pegster> cya
[22:23:00] <RikMeleet> Does anyone of us have the log ?
[22:23:05] <Pegster> yes
[22:23:10] <RikMeleet> ok
[22:23:13] <EMP> e mail me it too
[22:23:14] <TheCat> farewell : )
[22:23:18] * Pegster logs everything : )
[22:23:20] <RikMeleet> farewell
[22:23:22] * TheCat has left #demogame_cfc_embassy3

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

*** jacy@apis.com.br (Joker) has joined the conversation.
SUPER EMP!: hello
SUPER EMP!: sorry about that
SUPER EMP!: suprised?
Joker: hi
Joker: yes, that talk from akots that i ratified the tech agreement
Joker: i'm very surprised, because i said that we would discuss vote and etc
Joker: if any time i give that impression is was not that. And also last chat i was Minister, not President As you know people , citizens look at the chats, some said i'm a dictador (those died ehhehe) and other that you wew taking advantage from the new ambassador
SUPER EMP!: heehe
SUPER EMP!: well about the dictator I donno, I think akots was jsut confused
SUPER EMP!:
SUPER EMP!: I will remind him that yuo were minister not president
Joker: please clarify this to him
Joker: and i never said that the tech was made
SUPER EMP!: I will
SUPER EMP!: and how did we take advantage of cat?
Joker: that atitude, like forcing the tech trade
Joker: but i will clarify to them too, that you did not mean that

In short, we shoudl not be so forcefull on a newbie ambassidor. We should not take assumtions, we really want Joker as president, as opposed to a member os the other party, from what I hear about that other party, we do not want them.

I ask that in the next chats, we make sure that we are fair, and that we are less forcefull. We need to make sure that unless they are in the upper goverment, they can not make many disicions on their own.

 

[akots]

That joker should have attended the chat instead.

I don't like him but that does not matter. I don't have to. Also, sometimes it can be a language issue, you know, between two non-native-English-chatting guys.

However, it is strange. They come up with a deal, discuss it, settle the details and then the deal is gone. Must be thinking of heading towards Republic on our own. We would be possibly better off without their Monarchy. That could have been my sub-conscious attitude though.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

That joker should have attended the chat instead.

I tried to get him too, but he said it would be better if the MoFA and ambassidors did stuff, but if something went wrong he would gladly show up. I will see if I can get him to come next chat.

I don't like him but that does not matter. I don't have to. Also, sometimes it can be a language issue, you know, between two non-native-English-chatting guys.

I have spoken with Joker infomaly many times, and his english is very good, but of course not perfect. Cat lived in the USA for 2 years and speaks very good english.

 

[RegentMan]

Wow... a lot of chat reading!

 

[Rik Meleet]

When is the next chat scheduled ?

 

[Hygro]

Can we get summaries of all chats?

 

[Rik Meleet]

@Hygro:

I've summarised in the first post of the 3:

I think we got some real good result here; we've gotten a lot and gave nothing.
We got: C3B is going to explore north quickly, as it is very likely they have a lot of land there, which could influence the location of the border between our nations.
We got: Dedication that C3B will not settle south of Recife for 10 turns. We will not settle north of "Kazad Dum" either, but we weren't going to in 10 turns anyway. This way we preveted C3B settling into an area that might go to us in total.
We got: C3B is considering building the Great Lib + the Great Lighthouse for denial -> you want someone else to build it for denial, not yourself.
We got: a lux trade of Incense for Ivory without risking SoZ.
We got: Them to discuss agreeing with the tech-sharing. That way we will get their Monarchy the turn it's finished.

We gave: nothing really.

See for yourselves.

 

[Hygro]

Thanks! That was very imformative.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

About "the other party" ,i suspect from what i heard that it 's probably very pro millitaristic and anti alliance.
But i wonder if this party would be actually good for C3B itself ,sounds to me that party is more a gathering of politicly unexperienced pro millitary elements that would hurt their nation more than they would help it.Afterall with SoZ in our hands and the geographic situation a C3B offensive campaign on us wouldn't survive long probably ,however would hurt C3B qute a lot domesticly probably.

Though afcourse a continued alliance with C3b is in our best interrest given the geostratigical situation. (were alone on this continent ,better to have peace and evolve that to war)
But the fact that C3B has party's ammuses me frankly ,and greatly enhances the possibilety of political quagmire in their camp ,in addition of influence of our own on their politicl situation ,especially if members of different party's are ellected in goverment.

And about the ambassador named the cat ,it seems in our interrest to have diplomacy trough her rather than trough Joker for instance ,however with such results as in last agreements we clearly made the cat lose here face in front of her team member's ,and that doesn't increase our chances as of getting her much more as ambassador.Maybe we should give her a few phyrus victiry's in diplomacy that she can bring home to strenthen her position.

In the future ,given C3B's probably quite diveded politic's i would advice our ambassador's to respect the right C3B officials as to hive them prestige domesticly ,while distantiating ourselfs more of those diplomats that give us a hard time ,even try to let them loose face at home.

Another thing i thought of recently: What about changing our diplomats and ambassadors names once and awhile for confusion at C3b's?
Not that we have to change forum names or change positions ,but wouldn't it be nice if when we have a president that was the same of the previous or any other official ,that he would change his name in diplomatic talks for that term just to give C3B the impression that there is actually an other person in that position? Or even "simulate" a whole new party?