Bowsling
Deity
Sent greeting to DMOC via pm:
Embassy to mavericks
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Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Very good, but for future reference, we need to have the diplomatic notes up for discussions before we submit.
Good one though.
best regards
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Good one though.
best regards
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We should probably send them our actual email account; if they have something similar for their team that's what we'd hope to hear back on in their first/second message.
Anyway, we need to keep up with what they are thinking over the next few days, much like we need to be on the ball with what we send to CDZ.
In particular:
-Mavericks are going to know we have contact with another team, because of Espionage Points. We need to decide how to explain this - did our current workboat somehow sail all the way around (make them believe we have one workboat) or admit we are closer to them.
-For that matter, they might have contact with the next team around the bend themselves, and may not be able to hide it from us either. In fact, I think this is likely - they sent no workboat our way, and probably at least one of the two teams (them or the next team) did get a workboat, and enough time has passed for them to find each other.
-We could also talk about tech, religions and wonders in particular. Since we have Stonehenge and Buddhism, and they have Hinduism, and could feasibly get the Oracle or something, it plays into long term planning.
But after a response for them a good "official" opening message I think could talk about religion/stonehenge rather easily, and if they are curious to pursue the contact/diplomacy situation.
Anyway, we need to keep up with what they are thinking over the next few days, much like we need to be on the ball with what we send to CDZ.
In particular:
-Mavericks are going to know we have contact with another team, because of Espionage Points. We need to decide how to explain this - did our current workboat somehow sail all the way around (make them believe we have one workboat) or admit we are closer to them.
-For that matter, they might have contact with the next team around the bend themselves, and may not be able to hide it from us either. In fact, I think this is likely - they sent no workboat our way, and probably at least one of the two teams (them or the next team) did get a workboat, and enough time has passed for them to find each other.
-We could also talk about tech, religions and wonders in particular. Since we have Stonehenge and Buddhism, and they have Hinduism, and could feasibly get the Oracle or something, it plays into long term planning.
But after a response for them a good "official" opening message I think could talk about religion/stonehenge rather easily, and if they are curious to pursue the contact/diplomacy situation.
Bowsling
Deity
Oh, I think Provo might have posted/sent that out initially, but yeah, in case anyone forgot, we can always find a stickied spot or keep sending people passwords.
Is Mavericks' team email account accurate then? Do they have it on the main MTDG II forum?
Game discussion and strategy I'm sure is ongoing. Anyway, I'm sure you'll do a great job working with the Mavericks here and there is a lot the whole team will coordinate too.
Is Mavericks' team email account accurate then? Do they have it on the main MTDG II forum?
Game discussion and strategy I'm sure is ongoing. Anyway, I'm sure you'll do a great job working with the Mavericks here and there is a lot the whole team will coordinate too.
Bowsling
Deity
team.mavericks.civfanatics@gmail.com
Should have sent it there, I didn't see it at first. The reply will likely tell us to do that.
Should have sent it there, I didn't see it at first. The reply will likely tell us to do that.
Well, mavericks sent us a full diplomatic message this morning, just checked, anyway posting it here for all to see.
I think our next response/envoy could do well to mention that Non-Aggression Pact we seem to have voted on mostly in agreement. And by the time the next turn or two rolls over, via espionage points we will probably see if they have contact with other civilizations. Or more importantly, they will see automatically that WE do have another contact, no point hiding that.
Giving them a picture of the map or what we've explored may or may not be the call we make. We could basically mislead them on where our workboat came from/where we met another civ or what, it really depends.
I think our next response/envoy could do well to mention that Non-Aggression Pact we seem to have voted on mostly in agreement. And by the time the next turn or two rolls over, via espionage points we will probably see if they have contact with other civilizations. Or more importantly, they will see automatically that WE do have another contact, no point hiding that.
Giving them a picture of the map or what we've explored may or may not be the call we make. We could basically mislead them on where our workboat came from/where we met another civ or what, it really depends.
CharlemagneXLII
Prince
I suggest describing the coastline of the mainland, and that we're on an island- it will probably just confirm what they already know. We should tell them we're close by seeing as they'll find out soon enough anyways.
Yeah, we could confirm we're on an island, they probably have guessed that, doubly so if they have contact with anyone else (and as we have contact with another team, and know it's a norm, something to be figured out easily).
Telling them we are close by is a trap if we're not willing to say exactly how far, and I'm not sure we want to do that. Not directly lying about ourselves or a third team, sure, we can avoid that, but I wouldn't reveal exactly where we or CDZ are located. It's possible India has done very, very little scouting or something, they might have just built their second city and a wonder and no/maybe a single ship, and we don't want to give too much away. And if they did scout, they haven't come our way at all and won't for another dozen turns or more, that info is valuable.
Telling them we are close by is a trap if we're not willing to say exactly how far, and I'm not sure we want to do that. Not directly lying about ourselves or a third team, sure, we can avoid that, but I wouldn't reveal exactly where we or CDZ are located. It's possible India has done very, very little scouting or something, they might have just built their second city and a wonder and no/maybe a single ship, and we don't want to give too much away. And if they did scout, they haven't come our way at all and won't for another dozen turns or more, that info is valuable.
Bowsling
Deity
Things to address/discuss for next email:
1. Offer a 50-turn Non-Aggression Treaty, effective immediately.
2. Thank them for our congratulations about Stonehenge.
3. Congratulate them about Hinduism
4. Discuss the possibilities of trade, mention that we have wheat and silver to trade.
5. Here's the sticky subject: revealing our explorations.
My Suggestions:
- Describe vaguely the median coastline
- Mention our contact with another team, as they will find out that soon, so it is best to help gain their trust by readily admitting to knowing another team.
- Do not mention that that team is CDZ, the median coastline between us and CDZ, the direction of CDZ, or the fact that CDZ will meet them soon.
6. How should we be addressed?
Also recieved a reply by PM from DMOC:
1. Offer a 50-turn Non-Aggression Treaty, effective immediately.
2. Thank them for our congratulations about Stonehenge.
3. Congratulate them about Hinduism
4. Discuss the possibilities of trade, mention that we have wheat and silver to trade.
5. Here's the sticky subject: revealing our explorations.
My Suggestions:
- Describe vaguely the median coastline
- Mention our contact with another team, as they will find out that soon, so it is best to help gain their trust by readily admitting to knowing another team.
- Do not mention that that team is CDZ, the median coastline between us and CDZ, the direction of CDZ, or the fact that CDZ will meet them soon.
6. How should we be addressed?
Also recieved a reply by PM from DMOC:
All of those points sound good, not sure what the "median" is though, probably too many terms floating around. Definitely they don't need to particularly know anything about CDZ. We could round up the NAP to turn 100 if we feel like it actually, that sounds nice and simple, but everything there I'd be ready to sign onboard to.
I think we'd be called either Quatronia, or the Q - either is fine. We're probably not the "Continuum" though, that's just our city name. Though if the team feels otherwise, that's perfectly fine.
I think we'd be called either Quatronia, or the Q - either is fine. We're probably not the "Continuum" though, that's just our city name. Though if the team feels otherwise, that's perfectly fine.
Bowsling
Deity
Well, we do like to call the team "the Continuum".
I think I just confused the poor Mavericks by using both.
By median I just mean the coastline on the main continent in between us and other teams.
I think I just confused the poor Mavericks by using both.
By median I just mean the coastline on the main continent in between us and other teams.
Yeah, we can describe the median/coastline of that petal as a desert peninsula we came around, and then for further details only vaguely on where our city/the other team we met are exactly. Again if everybody does like calling themselves the Continuum that's fine, I've used it before too, I guess we make a team call, or let Mavericks do what they want (cause really I don't think they'd offend us if they kept calling us any of those names).
Again, definitely want to get back in this next message about knowing another team though - if we don't do that it would be a barrier to trust (even if we don't plan to have them as allies in the end, can't close doors now). I'd also say, perhaps importantly - if they send another message or PM, don't respond with anything substantial, just wait for our full response to this one, which hopefully is less than a day anyway if we get a message we're all happy with. Eg. if they send another PM "Hey, you guys have contact with someone" best not to answer that informally, but I know you'll be fine.
Again, definitely want to get back in this next message about knowing another team though - if we don't do that it would be a barrier to trust (even if we don't plan to have them as allies in the end, can't close doors now). I'd also say, perhaps importantly - if they send another message or PM, don't respond with anything substantial, just wait for our full response to this one, which hopefully is less than a day anyway if we get a message we're all happy with. Eg. if they send another PM "Hey, you guys have contact with someone" best not to answer that informally, but I know you'll be fine.
Bowsling
Deity
I'm not picky about the name either, and I don't think anyone else here is.
I'm going to draft up a response soon, hopefully we can have it revised by the team and sent by tomorrow.
I'm going to draft up a response soon, hopefully we can have it revised by the team and sent by tomorrow.
Bowsling
Deity
Drafted up the letter. Ignored #2, seemed pointless.
I'm still not sure about how much to reveal, but I think this is a good amount.
I'm still not sure about how much to reveal, but I think this is a good amount.
RegentMan
Deity
I have made some suggestions, Bowsling. I think your message was a great start.
I think mine could be fine-tuned too. It also doesn't reveal too much info to the Mavericks. The exploration parts might appear to be lying, but we don't technically know 100% that the petal continent theory is correct...
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I think mine could be fine-tuned too. It also doesn't reveal too much info to the Mavericks. The exploration parts might appear to be lying, but we don't technically know 100% that the petal continent theory is correct...
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Regentmans second rewrite was good.
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I would add spices to the list of stuff we have to trade. We can hold off on mentioning the silver. But if we are too standoffish about (obviously balanced) starting resources they might think we are plotting to attack them or something crazy like that 
In the tech paragraph add a question on the end like: "Would you be willing to share what mysteries your sages have uncovered up to this point and what paths of learning you are planning to pursue?"
In the tech paragraph add a question on the end like: "Would you be willing to share what mysteries your sages have uncovered up to this point and what paths of learning you are planning to pursue?"
CharlemagneXLII
Prince
I like the second rewrite as well, but we might as well tell them all of the resources we have. We could still ask them what they have explored, as we're giving them a bit of information.
Bowsling
Deity
Likely final draft, courtesy of RegentMan with a few of my own edits as well. I will probably send in a few hours.
Also added a contact for the Mavericks on the email account.
Also added a contact for the Mavericks on the email account.
