Embyronic Stem Cell Research Supports, Please Read!

[classical_hero]

Yeah, but I'm more aggressive here, because actual people are actually dying and suffering, and I can see a cure that's being fought against.

What bugs me is that people shout down the idea, but reject my point that: because actual people need help, the people objecting have a moral duty to understand why they are objecting. SCNT research does not create viable human embryos - ergo, none are destroyed.

A person can think that wearing red socks is evil, and try to ban them ... until they try to take socks out of the hands of orphans. Then, they better at least listen when someone says "but, those socks are blue, you need to turn on the lights".

Well many people have been cured of diseases using ASCs, so that is false by saying that we are against research. So far ESCR and Theraputic cloning have shown no results. I'll say more after I wake up sometime later.

 

[ironduck]

Well many people have been cured of diseases using ASCs, so that is false by saying that we are against research. So far ESCR and Theraputic cloning have shown no results. I'll say more after I wake up sometime later.

No one here has opposed ASC research. The point is that you specifically are against certain research out of moral reasons, but your reasoning is based on false premises.

Further, you disguise your reasons and say that you are agains the research because it's a dead end that hasn't provided the hoped for results yet. If you had even the slightest idea of what science is you would see how foolish that statement is. Most scientific discoveries in history probably came when people were looking for something else, or when a discovery turned out to have far more powerful implications on a whole different field than the original area of research.

If you're going to restrict scientific research to a 'we have to know beforehand what the results will be, and be certain that they are specifically useful for our purpose' you will never get anywhere at all. Science is about understanding the world around us. Once we understand some things we can use that knowledge, but without that understanding we don't get anywhere whatsoever.

 

[El_Machinae]

C_L: The counter is: it's the extrapolated rate-of-return that matters. I understand that you really like ASC's 10% return on investment. My point is that we think SCNT has a 20% rate of return. And switching into a 20% yield over a 10% yield is a good idea. Nevermind that SCNT will eliminate the need to create viable embryos for ESC research.

(Please note that the rate of return is an analogy. ASC can cure a certain percentage of the population. SCNT can cure that population as well as even more people. Finally, every bit of ASC research helps SCNT therapies, but SCNT is extrapolated to lead to better and faster cures).

Remember how headaches used to be treated? You're the person saying "but eating willow bark has cured dozens of victims, therefore it's a waste of resources to look for an active ingredient."

Stem Cell research is Stem Cell research. The people who object, tend to object because of the source of the stem cells. An undifferentiated stem cell is basically a differentiated stem cell after a bit of laboratory work, and vis versa. Of COURSE we use the ASC if it's cheaper and easier to obtain (and sufficient to our needs).