Emperor Cookbook - Napoleon!!

[Gumbolt]

Really need the vote from Teelman to make this vote fair as my vote would probably tie the round.

Then again I need to view the saves some time tomorrow (today its 2.30am here lol). I do think Kossin save will be quicker for the kill. All those galleon. WVO on my save had quite a few units including infantry but my 30+ undamaged cannons would cause him a few issues. JC wasnt ready to fold on my save but must have been close. My strategy of not giving units promotions and using promotions to heal units worked somewhat well.

I think whichever save wins round victory is almost certain pending a disaster or unexpected religious victory somewhere.

 

[kossin]

Let's compare "army" size then.

Gumbolt
46 riflemen
37 canons
1 airship
0 Galleons (1 Galley can be upgraded)
0 Artillery (7 turns away)
1 GG
1GE

kossin
47 riflemen
22 canons
13 galleons
7 artillery
5 airship
1 GA (lol - it'll revolt out 1 city )

It's pretty close on both cases. Same number of cities taken, roughly same army, I have a small edge on the navy, techs and airforce, Gumbolt has a slight edge on canons while I'm already fielding Artillery.
I should probably split my stack in half to take JC cities faster and we can soon start on WvO with the secondary start.

While JC is under the Cap treshold in both our games, he's not willing to capitulate just yet either.
I suspect it has to do with bordering land tiles, I'll try to find DanF's post on capitulation mechanics.

 

[cabert]

I'm not really joining, because it's a bit late, but I played from the start to 1500 BC.
What a surprise to see so many players picking the same cities as I did...
What wasn't a surprise was that I'm a slow rexer. My 1500 BC save looks more or less like IT's save, except he already has settled his 3 city, while my settler still had a move to do. I also did try for oracle (meaning I had priesthood in 1500BC and oracle started in my stonehenge city).
I'll go on from my own save, to see where it's going, but I have opened all 1500BC saves, and tried playing a bit from gumbolt's save (because of early alpha), and got the GLH easily. Just so you know for sure, gumbolt .

 

[Gumbolt]

Let's compare "army" size then.

Gumbolt
46 riflemen
37 canons
1 airship
0 Galleons (1 Galley can be upgraded)
0 Artillery (7 turns away)
1 GG
1GE

kossin
47 riflemen
22 canons
13 galleons
7 artillery
5 airship
1 GA (lol - it'll revolt out 1 city )

It's pretty close on both cases. Same number of cities taken, roughly same army, I have a small edge on the navy, techs and airforce, Gumbolt has a slight edge on canons while I'm already fielding Artillery.
I should probably split my stack in half to take JC cities faster and we can soon start on WvO with the secondary start.

While JC is under the Cap treshold in both our games, he's not willing to capitulate just yet either.
I suspect it has to do with bordering land tiles, I'll try to find DanF's post on capitulation mechanics.

Its actually a lot closer than I thought. That GA really edges it.

My cannons are all at full strength. Artillery would be useful but some units could be upgraded. In all fairness i am losing very few rifles attacking the romans as the cannons take down cultural defences in a turn. i have some healing of units to do! My cities are at the limit in terms of whipping but my GT city still has a good pop to whip. Roman defences are 3 units a city so capitulation is only a matter of time. its that reason i have not wasted cannons.

This cookbook is never meant to be about the best saves but learning the game. I have to say using a GT and nationalism is quite over powering.

Overall we could just play out our own saves to the end or wait for Teelman to decide the winner of the round. I suspect once a winning save is post people will want to move to the next game.

 

[Gumbolt]

I'm not really joining, because it's a bit late, but I played from the start to 1500 BC.
What a surprise to see so many players picking the same cities as I did...
What wasn't a surprise was that I'm a slow rexer. My 1500 BC save looks more or less like IT's save, except he already has settled his 3 city, while my settler still had a move to do. I also did try for oracle (meaning I had priesthood in 1500BC and oracle started in my stonehenge city).
I'll go on from my own save, to see where it's going, but I have opened all 1500BC saves, and tried playing a bit from gumbolt's save (because of early alpha), and got the GLH easily. Just so you know for sure, gumbolt .

I actually did like my starting save but it was a mistake to not take horse with one of my cities. The alphabet gambit was different.

 

[Teelman]

Sorry I am working this weekend not had much time to even vote but here it is.

1st: kossin: GB and kossin so close what did me over was the galleon invasion fleet was already good to go.
2nd: Gumbolt

 

[Gumbolt]

Sorry I am working this weekend not had much time to even vote but here it is.

1st: kossin: GB and kossin so close what did me over was the galleon invasion fleet was already good to go.
2nd: Gumbolt

1st choice to kossin. Huge army and JC being crushed as we speak. Stack could of really been split a bit earlier. I did like the fact she had Artillery and 7-8 galleons already. Good preparations for a naval invasion.

2nd. Leonwill. It was different and a religious victory was within reach. Overall I like a good domination save so I voted kossin higher. Need to make sure we finish this game!!

3rd Teelman. Downside is his whipping now takes 2 pop for infantry. This could slow proceedings making a huge army. No Globe Theatre either. The Ai will have infantry/other units by time we have crossed the seas.

This makes Kossin save the winning save this round. Well done to her.

The winning save is here Kossin
The next round will be played to completion.

I am happy for Leonwill to shadow with his save. I would like to see who can pull off a victory first. The race is on!!!

 

[Gumbolt]

I could shadow with my save to see if i can beat Kossin to the win.

So many good saves last round its a shame to not see a few played to a victory. Perhaps we should be doing immortal cookbooks?

 

[kossin]

I've just won twice in a row on immortal so I'd be interested in a cookbook there as well, Soirana mentioned interest in playing as well. I also think we should keep running the Emperor cookbook for the following reasons:
-This game was won a long time ago, by the 400AD save it was really clear (ever since the second round even). in another setting, it might not be so easy.
-There are a lot of Monarch level players around that could use this
-The difference between Emperor/Immortal isn't that big, really. The AIs get off to a faster start and get slightly bigger discounts. Our maintenance isn't much more noticeable than on Emperor
-This game felt like Monarch. GLH + whip abuse allowed us to manhandle the AI
-There's still a lot all of us can learn from Emperor I believe
-Emperor is more relax than Immortal

 

[mjg5591]

I am one of the monarch players trying to jump up to emperor. So I would like to see the emperors cookbook stay alive, If you do decide to start a immortal one.

 

[kossin]

To 1855 AD -> Diplomation

Spoiler :

JC took a while to cap. This was frustrating so I DoW'd WvO while still at war on JC.

Finally JC cap'd after I took his capital.




So did WvO.




In between wars, Zara cap'd Pacal

After this, I sent a first wave at Mansa, which got terribly eaten by Artillery. I lost everything


I took a Cease Fire while I shipped the Main Stack


DoW'd Mansa again, killed some units in the first city, then he cap'd.


At this point, I noticed I had enough pop for a diplo vote (and game was starting to lag from all those units), so I put every city on wealth, beelined the UN, revolted to US and rush-bought it.


A few turns later... it's all over.



I've attached the save from 1854. All you have to do is hit enter to win!

Domination/Conquest would probably be a few turns faster, but I didn't care much for the time involved anymore. I should have bribed peace. Much more easier to cap then.

A very fun game, I actually kinda liked the landmass, curious to know what Soirana actually did to it.

Some more screenshots...

Spoiler :

 

[mjg5591]

To 1834 Conquest

Spoiler :

Thanks to the play of others up to this point, game was in the bag.

1734AD JC vassals.

1752AD Declare on WvO. He bribes mansa into war with us.

1776AD Peace with mansa. All he brought was some destroyers pillaging.

1784AD WvO vassals. Also set slider to 0% for rest of game. Using gold for upgrades. Rifles to infrantry and cannons to artillery.

1804AD Declare mansa.

1806AD Take 1 city from mansa and he vassals.

1822AD Declare on Zara and pacal. Pacal vassaled to Zara sometime earlier.

1834AD After taking Zara capital (2nd city I took.) He vassals. Pacal vassals also.

Conquest win.

Screenshots.

Save is from 1 turn to victory.

 

[Gumbolt]

I've just won twice in a row on immortal so I'd be interested in a cookbook there as well, Soirana mentioned interest in playing as well. I also think we should keep running the Emperor cookbook for the following reasons:
-This game was won a long time ago, by the 400AD save it was really clear (ever since the second round even). in another setting, it might not be so easy.
-There are a lot of Monarch level players around that could use this
-The difference between Emperor/Immortal isn't that big, really. The AIs get off to a faster start and get slightly bigger discounts. Our maintenance isn't much more noticeable than on Emperor
-This game felt like Monarch. GLH + whip abuse allowed us to manhandle the AI
-There's still a lot all of us can learn from Emperor I believe
-Emperor is more relax than Immortal

I dont plan on quitting the cookbooks yet. hehe. As I said its not always about picking the best saves. I actually thought my Elephant cat assault wasnt the best save come 1100ad.

It was interesting to have an AI get liberalism really early. Then again my last 1-2 games on Emp level the Ai have got this by 600 or so ad. Justin with gold in BFC is a tech spammer. Not that I want to give soirana any ideas.

We could play restrictions on the next game. If its obvious a certain wonder would give us a huge advantage early on we could ban it. Its like mids and stone resource nearby!! specialist spams and bulbing liberalism at a crazy date.

One idea would be to say you cant build any wonders. You can only capture wonders already built by the AI. This might encourage a domination/conquest style of play but it would help people obsessed by spamming wonders.

Theres lots of lil things we could do.

In terms of the game it looks won. I will play out my own save as I dont feel I can add more beyond what Kossin and MJG have already done.

Any ideas would be welcome.

 

[Soirana]

I've just won twice in a row on immortal so I'd be interested in a cookbook there as well, Soirana mentioned interest in playing as well.

I might have interest in hosting. Playing thanks a lot no.

 

[Grashopa]

I'll play out my game at some point and post. I had the HA rush on Willem going. Took his capital razed his cities in the northeast to start (didn't want the maintenance, didn't need the production), allowing him to expand south in the jungle. 2nd war finished him off and results in a huge land advantage. Likely this position is much stronger than the GLh opening..

I wouldn't try banning wonders. But I would suggest that in the following games you take a flier on a starting save that does something different than everyone else. That way its more of a learning experience. And if it doesn't work out - can you still pull out the win?

 

[Gumbolt]

I'll play out my game at some point and post. I had the HA rush on Willem going. Took his capital razed his cities in the northeast to start (didn't want the maintenance, didn't need the production), allowing him to expand south in the jungle. 2nd war finished him off and results in a huge land advantage. Likely this position is much stronger than the GLh opening..

I wouldn't try banning wonders. But I would suggest that in the following games you take a flier on a starting save that does something different than everyone else. That way its more of a learning experience. And if it doesn't work out - can you still pull out the win?

Voting for more interesting saves is always a good idea. My alphabet early grab got voted down due to no horse.

Not sure if the new map will be adapted to make it more of a challenge at the start for us crazy warmongers. The Shaka cookbook is about to be unleashed. hehe