No worries. We have moved onto voting anyways. You do need to take 4-5 of KK cities before he capitulates. Once his new capital falls he should capitulate. You dont need to do too much with economy on this save. Court houses and Shaka UB barracks do help.
Emperor Cookbook Shaka
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No worries. We have moved onto voting anyways. You do need to take 4-5 of KK cities before he capitulates. Once his new capital falls he should capitulate. You dont need to do too much with economy on this save. Court houses and Shaka UB barracks do help.
For me voting is easy
MJG 1st
Solon70 2nd
I think MJG save going forward will be the most interesting to play. He is well positioned to grab HRG capital. At that point both KK and HRG will be serverely weakened in terms of game play.
Overall Solon was unlucky in many respects but KK is a huge thorn and HRG now has rifles. I did manage to find your stack. Hidden away.
MJG 1st
Solon70 2nd
I think MJG save going forward will be the most interesting to play. He is well positioned to grab HRG capital. At that point both KK and HRG will be serverely weakened in terms of game play.
Overall Solon was unlucky in many respects but KK is a huge thorn and HRG now has rifles. I did manage to find your stack. Hidden away.
My votes
1. Gumbolt - He has KK capitulated. War started with Charlie, but he has rifles.
2. Solon - Like me hasn't capitulated KK. At war with KK, I couldn't find your stack though. Charlie has rifles. 800gold though to help get a tech. I would switch to steel though.
Since we couldn't vote for the best save by far. I'll just say that Kossin would have been #1 again i'm sure.
1. Gumbolt - He has KK capitulated. War started with Charlie, but he has rifles.
2. Solon - Like me hasn't capitulated KK. At war with KK, I couldn't find your stack though. Charlie has rifles. 800gold though to help get a tech. I would switch to steel though.
Since we couldn't vote for the best save by far. I'll just say that Kossin would have been #1 again i'm sure.
Solon stack was in one of his cities. It had a lot of CR3 macemen and trebs. 30 odd units but by the time KK was taken down HRE would have rifles galore.
To be honest I would still pick MJG save even if I could vote for mine. His save would have 2 capitals the quickest. HRE will take 1-2 wars to capitulate.
I want to take a closer look because I think you both have very nice saves. I'll make a post tonight so we can move this forward.
I like when we have more saves because then everyone can cough and politely ignore my own...
Your save would have been much closer if you finished off KK first. You had a strong stack although somewhat hidden away!
Solon70
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Well, that was my bad judgment thinking I could cripple KK without capitulating him, in order to go for domination. The reason my stack is hidden away is that it's in the process of scurrying from the HRE front to the Mongol front in order to fend off KK - a long long journey!
But what I'm really seeing as the difference between my saves and the better players is not that I'm making a bunch of horrible strategic choices, but that I'm simply not getting things done as efficiently, and when you're a few turns behind it has kind of a mushroom effect. Consider the difference, for example, between declaring on Charlie when he's 3 turns from rifles, and getting there faster so you can DoW on him when he's 13 turns from rifles...
But what I'm really seeing as the difference between my saves and the better players is not that I'm making a bunch of horrible strategic choices, but that I'm simply not getting things done as efficiently, and when you're a few turns behind it has kind of a mushroom effect. Consider the difference, for example, between declaring on Charlie when he's 3 turns from rifles, and getting there faster so you can DoW on him when he's 13 turns from rifles...
well its amazing what 10-20 turns can do!!! Troops trekking from one side to the map to another can waste many turns. The cost of the upkeep of troops also restricts your science too.
Any thoughts on the voting side.
Try replaying the round and finishing off KK first. There was a lot of choices to be made on that last round really.
Any thoughts on the voting side.
Try replaying the round and finishing off KK first. There was a lot of choices to be made on that last round really.
Solon70
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Like I said, two very good saves. MJG hasn't capped KK, but he won't have the same problem I did because he has tons of units up there to defend. Still, it's going to be a mighty expensive army particularly once all those rifles get built. Gumbolt doesn't have to worry about that, but Charlie is a much tougher nut to crack in his save because of the protective rifles.
One advantage of Gumbolt's game is that he has fewer things left to accomplish before controlling his continent, thus less can go wrong. Even though Charlie has an imposing-looking stack, there's only 2 cities between you and Aachen and once you have that capital it's downhill from there. As a side point, Gumbolt has the world map which doesn't really count for much in the cookbook format but maybe it should.
On the other hand, MJG will have a much easier time rolling up Charlie in minimal time. The capital will fall easily and the power imbalance means it will be easier to cap him - unless someone wants to be like me and try for domination by simply wiping out the whole continent.
Hard to decide between these two winning positions, but I am going to go with MJG first and Gumbolt second simply because Gumbolt has won a vote this cookbook and MJG hasn't. Let's bring this one home!
One advantage of Gumbolt's game is that he has fewer things left to accomplish before controlling his continent, thus less can go wrong. Even though Charlie has an imposing-looking stack, there's only 2 cities between you and Aachen and once you have that capital it's downhill from there. As a side point, Gumbolt has the world map which doesn't really count for much in the cookbook format but maybe it should.
On the other hand, MJG will have a much easier time rolling up Charlie in minimal time. The capital will fall easily and the power imbalance means it will be easier to cap him - unless someone wants to be like me and try for domination by simply wiping out the whole continent.
Hard to decide between these two winning positions, but I am going to go with MJG first and Gumbolt second simply because Gumbolt has won a vote this cookbook and MJG hasn't.
Let's bring this one home!I really think this should count for more but it's something commonly missed by myself when I look at the games. The idea behind the cookbooks is to improve to reach the next level I think. If you ignore a fundemental aspect such as scouting then it means the goal isn't really being accomplished. Unfortunately I still routinely forget to scout effectively.
No idea how to encourage people to take scouting into account however. Only way it will show for most people is from possible increased commerce due to trade routes, good deals boosting income and maybe better options in the foriegn trade window.
I didnt scout i just traded world maps.
Excellent going forward we will use MJG save. I think that is the right choice on this game.
Hopefully more people can play this round.Congratulations to MJG5591 the winner of this round!!!
The next round will be played over the next 3-4 days with voting over Sunday-Tuesday
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The round will finish Sunday time 1800hr GMT.
The next round will be played from 1500ad-1700ad. Lets get playing people.
Here is the winning save to be used for the next round:
MJG5591
Please ensure when you post save you rename with your name.
Round 0: The starting save -
Round 1: 4000 BC - 1500 BC- Completed
Round 2: 1500 BC - 400 AD- Completed
Round 3: 400 AD - 1100 AD- Completed
Round 4: 1100 AD - 1500 AD - Completed
Round 5: 1500 AD - 1700 AD - Playing
Round 6: 1700 AD - 1820 AD - upcoming
Round 7: 1820 AD - 2050 AD - upcoming
The next round will be played over the next 3-4 days with voting over Sunday-Tuesday
.
The round will finish Sunday time 1800hr GMT.
The next round will be played from 1500ad-1700ad. Lets get playing people.
Here is the winning save to be used for the next round:
MJG5591
Please ensure when you post save you rename with your name.
Round 0: The starting save -
Round 1: 4000 BC - 1500 BC- Completed
Round 2: 1500 BC - 400 AD- Completed
Round 3: 400 AD - 1100 AD- Completed
Round 4: 1100 AD - 1500 AD - Completed
Round 5: 1500 AD - 1700 AD - Playing
Round 6: 1700 AD - 1820 AD - upcoming
Round 7: 1820 AD - 2050 AD - upcoming
If it looks like conquest will follow close to 1700ad please feel free to complete the save.
@ MJG5591.
Kossin is well versed in civ4 and plays and wins on immortal level. Even i can win at emperor level when i do things right. I think you will find if you continue your save you will soon be walking over HRE and mongols. Rifles will walk over this map if the Ai dont have rifles either.
@ MJG5591.
Kossin is well versed in civ4 and plays and wins on immortal level. Even i can win at emperor level when i do things right. I think you will find if you continue your save you will soon be walking over HRE and mongols. Rifles will walk over this map if the Ai dont have rifles either.
. Also took peace with KK this turn. Been fighting off his advanxces here and there. 390gold.
