Emperor Cookbook Shaka

I didnt consider that required a spoiler as its a fact about HRG. Perhaps strategy should be left in spoilers till more people have played. ;)

I don't mind the strategy discussion in the open. We're all basing our strategy talk on the same position anyway. It gets kind of boring anyway looking at a thread that's nothing but one spoiler replying to another spoiler and so forth.
 
Round 3 ->1100AD
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As the round began, the economy went insta-better with the new capital. I ordered a market there next for even more goodies.

Turns were boring for a while, sending workers on irrigating (irritating) missions, adjusting city tiles, whipping, checking for trades etc.

Charlemagne researched Philosophy and got the religion. This leads me to think that whoever else is out there is teching very slowly! I took the following trade:
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I then checked the defense in KK's cities...
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:lol: I'll take it! (quite literally). I also traded Philosophy to KK:
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It also got me KK's map, where I found more evidence of Soirana's work:
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No doubt KK's real starting location. Thanks KK! Unfortunately, on the same turn...
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My army was sitting next to Sanchu so I took it on the second turn of war. Yay for more irrigation! I was kinda helped by the fact that KK decided he wanted a piece of me:
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He moved out half of his garrison! I cleaned them out with Elephants a little bit later. I took another city and then marched on to Karakorum. Bombardment took 1 turn, killing units took 2...
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Which got us the GLH!
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Here's a before and after picture...
Before
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After
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What an improvement! I also took this trade, but may end up regretting it:
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Charlemagne can also research Liberalism at the end of my set, I just don't know if he went for it.

I took another of KK's city as it's just too easy, he builds Keshiks instead of Longbows... whatever.

End of round pictures follow...

Army featuring a medic:health:3 Elephant.
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Our land... farmed over mostly. Some windmills coming up due to lack of :food:
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Others' (Our future) land...
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Other info
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Here's why trading Education to Charlemagne might come to haunt me:
I've left enough gold to finish Liberalism this turn.
However, if someone would like to gamble and go Compass>Optics (should take about 10 turns if you build wealth) to take Astronomy, then you're welcome to try! Had I not traded to Charlemagne, I'm pretty sure it would have been really easy to take it as a freebie. Too bad, too late.

There's some unhappiness here and there but it should clear in a few turns.

Now on to read other spoilers...

 
@ cabet

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Nice grabbing Colussus. I thought about it in my game but it went before I could even start it. Like how you grew Bulwayo. Really nice tech situation, also like trades with charlie.

Coupole other things You haven't mined iron in Nodwenga and you have wrokers sleeping in Ondini.

Don't like you farming over the town in kwaDUnza (I chained irragated from capital.) alothough I like how your trying to irragate the corn.

HE in Ulundi is nice, but I think Uruk is better site as it's closer to the front lines.

But I haven't even teched aest or lit in my game. Your way ahead of my tech, but I didn't make any trades either.

Nice goame though.
 
@Kossin

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Wow nice round. 1 turn to lib and in my game heaven't even started education. Like how we can get some irragation to Eridu anmd Nowenga.

Still have a nice stack to keep taking KK cities. Econonmy in good shape. What else can I say.
 
Wow, I didn't know I had workers sleeping!
I even built 1 or 2 for lack of them!

Thats pretty slack for you cabert. Almost wasteful building more if some were sleeping. Next time buy them an alarm each time some work needs to be done. :lol:
 
a stack of catapults is pretty good at stopping a stack of knechts+ he's not that close to them.
I still think it's safe to leave charlie's border lightly guarded while attacking KK, and I believe if you do it the other way around KK will come for you.

Be interesting to see what if any stacks the AI have. On my save KK had put all his units into rexxing. So he had a lot of units but spreaded thinly. I dont think he had a stack.

Not looked at Kossin save since vote. From what I can see apart from us the ruthless Zulu race everyone has been peaceful.
 
a stack of catapults is pretty good at stopping a stack of knechts+ he's not that close to them.

My thoughts exactly. ;)

I still think it's safe to leave charlie's border lightly guarded while attacking KK, and I believe if you do it the other way around KK will come for you.

Just ask him for a small donation to the cause before you DOW Chuckie. :lol:
 
@Kossin
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Charlemagne researched Philosophy and got the religion. This leads me to think that whoever else is out there is teching very slowly!
The only strength I think my rnd2 save had over yours was that I founded Philosophy one or two turns before the save. I have mixed feelings on how effective it is at slowing the AI down in the Liberalism race, but it definitely has the potential really open up the window of free tech selections.

Granted, you traded the race to Charlemagne in rnd3, but it's kind of surprising to see how linked the AI is with religion founding, or free Great People later on. It's almost as if these freebies are more so in-place to help guide the AI than to do anything for the player. Take Code of Laws. Found Confucianism and watch the AI ignore CoL and Civil Service for centuries.
 
Here's my 1100AD save:
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My plan was to capture the Hindu holy city of Aachen. The reason that I chose this as a target over KK's capital with the GLH is because I think that Charlemagne poses the greater long-term threat if he's allowed to keep that shrine income for himself, especially given the large amount of very good land that he has staked out. Certainly, Karakorum is a far easier target, with its close proximity to our borders. But I think we can take that city any time, whereas Charlemagne will be a much harder nut to crack once he gets access to his UU.

Since Kossin changed civics just before his 400AD save, I have to wait 3 turns to revolt to caste, where I can keep the economy going by assigning merchants while still building units in my cities. So, in 460AD:
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A market was built in the capital to take advantage of the maturing villages, and research was construction> MC> machinery> archery (for xbows)> engineering. I immediatley set Uruk to building a stable, and then a forge. Once MC came in, I saw that the colossus could be built in 6 turns, so I decided to build it (for the cost of 2 WEs). Eridu was set to build a settler, to claim the iron spot on the coast and prevent KK from further encroaching on our land. It would have the added benefit of being able to farm the riverside grassland to the east of the gems city, thereby chain-irrigating the corn and grass tiles there so that the many hills could be worked.
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I build a few WEs in Uruk until machinery was in, and then switched to *maces, popping one out every 3 turns. When machinery was done, many cities were set to build trebs, including Uruk. The army was position in the coastal iron city, where it could strike either east (KK) or west (BK).:
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Previously, I had scouted out the HRE land north of the capital for spots to pillage, and I have a small force of 3 impis (one is a W2) ready to pillage the roads leading north in order to delay HRE reinforcements:
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I used Nongoma as a GP farm to get a GS, which I used to bulb part of education. I was already researching education when he popped, so there was no way I could have used him for philosophy.
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I probably should have done this as soon as I switched to caste; I could have gotten him much earlier. :wallbash:

At 1100AD the attack is ready to go. Looking at the tech situation, neither KK nor BK even have machinery yet, and BK doesn't have CS either.
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I have a decent force of trebs, maces (all CR2 ready, since they were all built in Ulundi and Uruk, which both have MIs), pikes, and WEs. It should be a piece of cake to take either target (Aachen or Karakorum), but that choice can be made at the start of the next round. BK has conveniently put his stack in the first city in our path:
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Our units:
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The sit rep:
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Uruk, which I feel should become the new capital after the war (with FP built in Ulundi):
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Education is done, and philosophy is 6 turns away (by turning the slider up and doing defecit research). Unfortunately, BK has yet to build the hindu shrine, which explains his slow tech rate.

EDIT: Also, the capital is building ND for failure cash. It's not that far from completing, so it should be a pretty good windfall.


View attachment Huerfanista Shaka cookbook AD-1100.CivBeyondSwordSave
 
@mjg5591
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Nice founding Taoism, I would say you've secured yourself Liberalism, but you never know. Good work on getting GLH although I'm a bit puzzled by your worker decisions. (lack of irrigation and roads via KK). Some of the newer cities working unimproved tiles could use some encouragement to fast-build infrastruture if you get my drift :whipped:


@Cabert
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As others pointed out, I left 10 sleeping workers (waiting for border pop) which I realize now I should not have (skip turn is better) or at least pointed it out. Nice Colossus gambit. Other things I saw at first glance have already been pointed out.


@Nares
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That is true, which is kinda what I meant as they will delay it even more as you pointed out. The question is: will Charlemagne pursue Liberalism right away or finish whatever he was researching first? I'm tempted to think he was going after Engineering but I have no clue really.


@huerfanista
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2 things strike me:

You built The Colossus, yet you are working a grand total of 2 water tiles, one being ocean fish, and both without a lighthouse. While a good build, if you're not going to use it, don't build it.

If you are not Industrious or don't have the Bonus resource to build a Wonder then building it does not give you any more :gold: than plain building wealth.
 
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I'm tempted to think he was going after Engineering but I have no clue really.
That's probably it. Alternatively, he may be :smoke: and teching towards Nationalism.
 
@mjg5591


@huerfanista
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2 things strike me:

You built The Colossus, yet you are working a grand total of 2 water tiles, one being ocean fish, and both without a lighthouse. While a good build, if you're not going to use it, don't build it.

If you are not Industrious or don't have the Bonus resource to build a Wonder then building it does not give you any more :gold: than plain building wealth.

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Both the original copper city in the homeland and the 3-tile island city were badly neglected in your save. I am, in fact, developing both of them (although the copper city is currently building HR garrison, it can build a lighthouse when that's done, as well as moai), and they will both work lots of water tiles eventually. The colossus was incredibly cheap, and wonder denial is a legitimate strategy in some cases. You're right, of course, about ND.
 
Not had a chance to play my round yet. Been busy at work with new job and a bit tired from the earlier starts. Wheres my leave card. ;)
 
Sorry guys/ladies, I'll have to skip this turnset. Simply missing the time required to wrap this one correctly, so instead of a rush-sloppy play, I prefer skipping :sad:

Anyway, will look into the saves and give my 0,05$ :)
 
I don't mind the strategy discussion in the open. We're all basing our strategy talk on the same position anyway. It gets kind of boring anyway looking at a thread that's nothing but one spoiler replying to another spoiler and so forth.
Interesting point on boring threads. It's absolutely spot on. Spoilers detract from the interest level.

You also make a good point that there's very little information left to be revealed. I think it's a question of what information is important enough to warrant spoiler tags, and a determination by the players as to whether that information is contained in this round or not.

For example, rounds 2 and 3 don't necessarily require spoiler tags because there's really no new information. We know the AIs on our landmass, and have plenty to occupy ourselves with (making the layout of their land relatively unimportant).

Of course, there's much to be said for not having to load dozens of screenshots thanks to the spoiler tags.
 
Unfortunately I wont be able to play this round I don't think (possibly get to look at it late Thursday but won't get a chance to upload it even if I see it then until Saturday at the earliest). I'm guessing the round will have closed out by then. I would have played it already but I've been playing a couple of emperor games to get to grips with the differences (economy issues, tech rates and AI quirks). I'm still finding things a bit weird/slow playing at epic speed as well (played my other games at normal speed, don't bother to do the end game mop ups when I've good as guaranteed my victory and got lucky starts really).
 
I haven't had a chance to play yet but I should be able to get to it tonight or tomorrow. Been trying to finish up an HoF game that is taking forever because I can't stop micromanaging even when I have 19 cities...
 
I think everyone is busy at mo. If extending round to saturday would get 2-3 more saves thats not impossible. Obviously we dont want to spend a week waiting for saves if no one else is going to post a save. ;)

I will see what i can do tonight or tomorrow.
 
In that case I'll do what I can do to get a save up tomorrow. As long as I don't manage to suicide myself somehow I'll definitely put the save up.
 
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