English - British

[thestonesfan]

I wouldn't mind seeing all the UK'ers as seperate civs, but man, that's a slippery slope. There are A LOT of ethnicities in this world.

So I think it's probably best if they just put in the English and the Celts.

 

[dh_epic]

If Italy is represented by the Romans, then Britain can be represented by the English.

There are a lot of nations around the world that aren't even mentioned in Civ! Big ones, too. No need to be greedy

 

[sir_schwick]

Actually I have quite an elegant and intuitive solution to this. Players on these forums should fill in the holes in the civ lineup with accurate and personally researched setups for all the ethnicities and sub-civs. It would cost Firaxis too much time and money to develop this feature. Also, new players would be boggled by the hundreds and possibly thousands of new civs they would be bombarded with. Firaxis's only job in this model would be to help support that effort for a 'Super Civ List' and its implementation.

A good example of this is BKB Supermod for Medieval: Total War. Although MTW is very accurate in many respects, the number of aggressive political entities in Europe were reduced significantly. Because of this many powers were also more powerful and in better positions then they would have been otherwise. This actually worked well because the game already had a considerable learning curve, and bombarding newbies with the full gauntlet of options would often turn them off.
However, players who now had a feel for the map and the game could take the time to d/l the BKB Supermod and experience a much more realistic, though complicated, MTW game. In Civ it would be wise that experienced players that have learned the game should then seek out more advanced mods, much as CFCers do now. The only part that Firaxis can really help is making modding and implementation of mods more accessible and simple.

 

[sealman]

If Italy is represented by the Romans, then Britain can be represented by the English.

There are a lot of nations around the world that aren't even mentioned in Civ! Big ones, too. No need to be greedy

Don't get "nations" confused with "civilizations".

Also, make another post. That "666" Post count is kind of frightening.

 

[sir_schwick]

If Italy is represented by the Romans, then Britain can be represented by the English.

There are a lot of nations around the world that aren't even mentioned in Civ! Big ones, too. No need to be greedy

It is the single most evil post ever posted.

 

[Yuri2356]

Isn't it obvious? The name/Leader/UU of a civ is decided by it's supposed "golden age" sure England is known as brittain today, but does that mean we have to rename Baylon to "Iraq?" And Swap Hammurabi for Saddam? Maby Amerrica should be lead by FDR, JFK, or Bush instead of Linchon. After all, he wasn't arround when they made the F-15. Next thing you know we'll have people demanding Civs to represent Each province of ancient China, and every Native American Tribe! Just leave the names the way they are and move on to more pressing matters.

 

[dh_epic]

Whew, sorry to have rested on that post. Maybe that was an omen.

 

[sir_schwick]

Keep about the same number of civs for game release.

The 'rest' would be a good project for modders here on CFC.

 

[thestonesfan]

I think 40 civs is a good number. All the Civ3 civs plus some more. But leaderheads take up a lot of disk space, so I doubt we'd get that many on one disk.

 

[kevincompton]

I think that in Civ4, they should change the 'English' civ, to the 'British'. Nowadays, there is no such thing as 'The English Army' though there are English regiments, along with Scottish, Welsh, e.t.c.
I know this might be critisized because there was no 'Britain' in 1300 AD, for example. Maybe it could be made that the English name would change at a certain age (Not sure when Great Britain was formed). Another Civ that could have this feature is the Romans, but they would HAVE to have their name changed after say 1000 AD since I like having the Roman Empire in my games.

I'd rather the English changed to British most, since im Patriotic like that

Change the name yourself! Its easy enough, what a worthless thing to post for the creators to have to sift through. I pray they don't listen to your suggestion.

 

[dh_epic]

No need to get hostile. Stay in the context of the discussion and focus on the merits of the idea or lack thereof.

I'd point out how the game isn't really focused on the proper names of nations, but on the names of empires that have been at their peak. Hence Rome, Persia, and America ... instead of Italy, Iran, and "Some British Colony". If you messed with one, you'd probably open up a much larger can of worms.

 

[dreamvirus]

I would be OK with the English being called the British and including Wales, Scotland and Ireland if a certain percentage of cities had regional characteristics. So for example the "Irish" cities would be unproductive but massively food-producing, and you would have the game option of transporting food produced in those cities across to the "English" cities and letting the "Irish" ones starve. Or for the "Scottish" cities you would have a small but consistent random chance of a "takeover" and your palace jumping to that city.

To be honest though, I think the Irish have a very good case for being a Civ in their own right aside from the Celts, they had a quite unique mythology, culture and political system. They deserve better than their later history of being part of the "glorious" British Empire.

 

[Drakan]

British rather than English.

 

[Scuffer]

If we are going down this route, it should be European rather than British.

On the Irish question, although they obviously have good cultural cause to be on their own, as a nation they have never had an 'empire', whereas the celts had.

 

[Drakan]

Erm, European ? Me no comprende.

 

[Scuffer]

Erm, European ? Me no comprende.

Well, once upon a time, England was several kingdoms, then it became England, then part of Britain. Now it's part of Europe, thanks to the marvels of the EU. If you want to pick the most modern description, then European is the way to go (suggest traits: bureaucratic & protectionist).
What I am saying is that civilisations change over time, but only piece of their history is used to represent them in the game. You could use Britain as a civ, if you used Queen Victoria as a leader I guess, as the country was recognisably British then.

 

[Drakan]

Right. Many people, myself included, would say we are British albeit not English. I feel I can identify with being British but have no English blood at all. So that is why I feel inclined to include kingdoms such as Wales or Scotland or Northern Ireland which are not English.

And I'm also Spanish thanks to my father.

 

[teccuk]

Oh it HAS to be BRITISH - its just not on to Scots, Welsh, Manx or the Cornish is it? Britian quite clearly acted as one since James VI and all the rest of it united it. And before all that we were all just Celts with tribal boundaries which have nothing to do with the current country boundaries. Leaderhead? - the aformentioned scot or Authur. Anyway like most of us I'm a bit of Eng/Sco/Ire/ and Welsh - British not English!!

 

[Drakan]

Well it doesn't have to be British, but I doubt Firaxis is going to add in CivIV another 3 civilizations just to make all of us happy.

 

[Scuffer]

I'm an Englishman living in Wales, and I am constantly aware of the difference between British and Welsh/English/etc. What I feel depends on the situation, I was British during the Olympics, English when the World Cup qualifiers were on, and supporting Wales during Glamorgan's (very successful) season. I'll be European during the Ryder cup too, with every point Levet wins celebrated as much as Poulter's.

I stick by what I say before - none of the celtic nations should be an individual civ because their impact was as a group. England did manage to achieve that impact back in QE1's time. If you want to put all of the UK in, do it as Britain with the gorgeous Vikki as leader.