Entire Game is a bug

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Boy am I so glad I waited before buying this game :) At first I was a little sad and tempted but now after reading the title of the thread I am happy. Don't worry. The game will be in OK playing condition in about 6 months and by then the price will have gone down so that smart people like me can buy it cheaper:joke:
 
ok just wanted to post this...I am sick of people trashing the game because their computer can't run it. I have an older computer and with a little tweaking and with watching how many saves I have - I have no problems. I have 9 civs on a large map - epic speed year 1866 and it is a about as fast as civ3 was that late in the game - so it is normal speed. Please don't think this game is a bug, it has some problems but most of the issues addressed are with older computers.. One worrd - Upgrade. Flame me if you will, I speak the truth.
 
RichHeimlich said:
It's also unacceptable to get someone on the phone and then suggest they're reaching someone, keep them on hold for 10 and 20 minutes and then just play a message saying "Sorry, too busy, call back in 24 hours" when you know full well you're likely to get the same message again then!
Wow! If something like that happened to me, I would toss the product away and never ever buy a product from that company anymore
 
Gotta love the impateint people, who blame all their problems on someone else, istead of taking the time to install and update all necessary drivers, and unloading background operations so that the game plays smoothly.

There is an infinite number of combinations of computer hardware and software out there, and there is NO way a company can test all combinations.

I have an older computer, with a new graphics card, and with some patients, and istalling the new Nvidia drivers, everything runs smooth.
 
elderotter said:
ok just wanted to post this...I am sick of people trashing the game because their computer can't run it. I have an older computer and with a little tweaking and with watching how many saves I have - I have no problems. I have 9 civs on a large map - epic speed year 1866 and it is a about as fast as civ3 was that late in the game - so it is normal speed. Please don't think this game is a bug, it has some problems but most of the issues addressed are with older computers.. One worrd - Upgrade. Flame me if you will, I speak the truth.

Please do not regard this as a flame, but in the spirit of the original poster I have to list the reasoning behind his thinking (my take on it)

1. Incorrectly labelled disks
2. Wrong tech tree poster
3. Many glitches and bugs...some videocard related some not.
4. Signs of a serious memory leak causing CTDs for quite a few people.
5. Difference in minimum spec requirements between box and readme.
6. A "fix" that requires a CORE game file to be unpacked
7. Faulty DirectX installation (I guess it never occured to some that they have the missing file from OTHER game installations)

All of the above do indeed indicate a QA and shipping procedure that was hurried.
Do I blame Firaxis? Not entirely no. I believe most of the blame lies with Take2.
But even the most diehard fan has to admit the the game does not seem to be optomized. It works..sometimes,usually,sort of. But it has many rough edges. Hell even the civilopedia appears to be unfinished.

Will it improve....if Firaxis are given the time to patch,tweak and tighten the code..I believe so..

As for the line about upgrading...well my friend if the machine someone uses meets or exceeds the requirements on the box are they to blame for the game failing to deliver?
I'm sorry but no they are not..
I have played and own every iteration of Civ since the original way back when I had an Amiga...
Frankly the launch of this version has done more to topple Civs high standing in my gameplaying choice than any previous version...(and Civ 3 wasn't so great at launch)

I am honestly getting Deja Vu from my MOO3 purchase...and I can run the game without any problems whatsoever
 
EdCase said:
I hate too have to say this, but I believe you can officially "come out" as Civ IVs first official (to use the common vernacular) "fanboi"
There have been many problems running the full gamut from wrong tech tree posters through wrongly labelled disks through to more than one glitch/bug showstopper.
To blithely ignore this and blame "people who nothing about their computer" is laughable.
All the aforementioned "evidence" does indeed point to a rushed release. So let it go.. the man has a point.

I hate to say it, but you are going to be civ IV's first Shirlock Holmes.

Lets see, made a mod for civ 3, and have 4100 post a civfanatics. Yeah, I kind of like the series. How did you figure it out?

I did not blame people who no nothing about their computer, so stop trying to put words in my mouth. I said most of the customer support technical issues on the phoen would be from peopel who no little about computers. Even though there are big bugs, there are also little bugs, and many incompatibilities, and alot of people who are not at this forum who bought th egame, mostly because they never participate int he forums.

But I work in the QA industry myself, funnily, and I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, that the people who visit the forums are a little mroe educated about their computers. The other 900,000 civ III players who never visited this forum know very little about their card set-ups many times.

The release was rushed.... AND I AM GLAD!!! Because the vast majority of civ fans did not have two wait 3 more months so every cotton picking bug could be pulled out. So now, some of the ATI card holders are getting their game delayed by a coupel of weeks, better than the whole world having to wait a coupel of months.

No matter when Firaxis/take2 would have released their product, there would have been bugs... it is a guarantee!

So call me a fanboi! Yippy, that I am, and sure glad I did not have to wait two more months to play, just so they could release it two months later, and still have bugs.

Any game,a s it is developed, is in a constant state of change. Change brings errors.
 
Willem said:
No, adding (replacing) this file:

CivGameCoreDLL.dll

seems to have solved the problems. It had nothing to do with drivers etc. Check the link I posted above.

No many people needed to update their drivers, many people needed to install DirectX 9... the core dll was not the only problem, not by far.
 
Neomega said:
So now, some of the ATI card holders are getting their game delayed by a coupel of weeks, better than the whole world having to wait a coupel of months.

No that problem has already been solved, there's a detailed fix listed on the Civ 4 site. Very detailed, I'm rather impressed frankly. It even has screenshots showing each step to take.
 
Neomega said:
No many people needed to update their drivers, many people needed to install DirectX 9... the core dll was not the only problem, not by far.

But many people did update their drivers and install Direct X 9, but nothing worked until that file was presented. Anyway, kudos to Firaxis for coming up with the solution so quickly. I guess I can think about scrounging together some cash to buy the game now. It's sounds like a good one so far. :D
 
Willem said:
But many people did update their drivers and install Direct X 9, but nothing worked until that file was presented. Anyway, kudos to Firaxis for coming up with the solution so quickly. I guess I can think about scrounging together some cash to buy the game now. It's sounds like a good one so far. :D

I am very aware, that some people tried everything, and indeed, firaxis was at fault. But my point was, that on the phones... and the peopel who clal the phones, are the ones who do not go out and hunt down the fixes, they just give a call.

And Civ IV was sold out at Software Etc... so I know 10's of thousands of units have already been sold. Civilization was the first game by PC gamer to be inducted into the hall of fame, because it held number one for over a year as the best selling game. Civ is HUGE baybeee!!!! ANd take2 should not bother to try and field 5 or 6 dozen telephone support personnell for the opening day of their release... it would be a huge labor cost to keep them up and working for the other 360 days of the year, when civ iv isn't being released.

Angry people at Wal-Mart on the busiest shopping day, what did you expect?

(I got it tonight, and I am in big fanboi heaven.. :P.... (not really, I am not convinced it will be better than civ III... yet. )
 
How old are you Neo? The impression you give is that of a 16 year old know it all, sorry to say that, but ppl will always receive my honest opinion. You take other people's arguments as a personal insult, and in return you're not very polite to those that dare question the correctness of some points you made. You stated your opinion many times now and the horse you're beating is long dead. So please let it rest bc I am tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. Thank you, feel free to flame.

@topic: I would really like to see some solid numbers on how many ppl have to fight with some bug or another.
 
I was 100% sure the game would not work out of the box for me since I have an oooooold computer that does not even meet the processor requirement and an ATI card listed by others as not working (but I'm pig-headed so I bought the game anyway :lol: ). Suprise suprise the game actually ran after the install. Of course I played the game for 5 hours and got bored... :( I don't see any Civ3-like 60 hour games in my future, but I digress.

For the person saying the CDs are labled correctly - I'm glad yours is, but mine and others are not. My install disk (it says "Install Disk, I learned how to read about 20 years ago) is the disk I need to put in the coffee holder to get the game to start. The disk that says "Play Disk" (there's that pesky reading thing again!) does not work to start the game up.

On the upside, my fold out tech tree map is printed in English :D

Speaking of which, the same person keeps posting saying we should live without a decent civilpedia because of this fold out. Why in god's name do I want to unfold this large paper map EVERY time I need to check a little detail about a tech. It's nice and purty to look at, but a BIT cumbersome to use as a reference guide, don't you think?
 
Shigga said:
How old are you Neo? The impression you give is that of a 16 year old know it all, sorry to say that, but ppl will always receive my honest opinion. You take other people's arguments as a personal insult, and in return you're not very polite to those that dare question the correctness of some points you made. You stated your opinion many times now and the horse you're beating is long dead. So please let it rest bc I am tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. Thank you, feel free to flame.

I certainly will. I am only repeating myself because people are mischaracterizing what I said. If you are tired of reading the same stuff, read at a different thread. And I don't believe many people are being polite at all, hence I am here, telling them to chill the f--- out. This "entire game" is not a "bug". It's an "unacceptable" statement to make.

Sorry you see your side so differently, how old are you shigga, because you seem like a kid who thinks they can bring maturity to a situation by saying untruths like, "sorry to say that" (no you are not) and then call it "honesty".
and then cast flaming insults, and act as if you are somehow aloof. Whatever dood.

BTW, I am 28, and a know it all... and I DO KNOW enough about this industry, to speak with authority, more than someone who quit the industry 9 years ago.
 
Neomega said:
Whatever dood.

+1 *yawn*

MayanKing said:
For the person saying the CDs are labled correctly - I'm glad yours is, but mine and others are not. My install disk (it says "Install Disk, I learned how to read about 20 years ago) is the disk I need to put in the coffee holder to get the game to start. The disk that says "Play Disk" (there's that pesky reading thing again!) does not work to start the game up.

Lucky me I will get the european version via amazon. Since it's a DVD there should be no problems. ^^ On the other hand, according to Murphy's law there's bound to be Pirates! in there instead of cIV. :lol:
 
Shigga said:
On the other hand, according to Murphy's law there's bound to be Pirates! in there instead of cIV. :lol:

That's not so bad, provided you don't already have the game. It's pretty good too.
 
Neomega said:
I certainly will. I am only repeating myself because people are mischaracterizing what I said. If you are tired of reading the same stuff, read at a different thread. And I don't believe many people are being polite at all, hence I am here, telling them to chill the f--- out. This "entire game" is not a "bug". It's an "unacceptable" statement to make.

Sorry you see your side so differently, how old are you shigga, because you seem like a kid who thinks they can bring maturity to a situation by saying untruths like, "sorry to say that" (no you are not) and then call it "honesty".
and then cast flaming insults, and act as if you are somehow aloof. Whatever dood.

BTW, I am 28, and a know it all... and I DO KNOW enough about this industry, to speak with authority, more than someone who quit the industry 9 years ago.

If you do know anything about the industry, you are not showing it. Everything you have posted is an ad hominem insult of some kind.

I bought the game yesterday and it's been mostly problem-free for the most part. I have no idea what Rich is talking for the most part, but he's been mature in his arguments. Considering his frustrations at getting the game to run, he's been very reasonable. The only things I've suffered so far are mislabeled discs, some slowdown, and the game not saving my view and grid settings. The last one is really just an annoyance and the slowdown is probably something I can easily fix by tinkering with the graphics settings. The mislabeled discs don't really impact anything, but the fact that so many people have seen it so good evidence that the game was rushed.

As for mischaracterizing your posts? Oh, please. You've been warned by a moderator already on your first post but you keep posting new posts that just further show your immaturity. You may be 28 but you sure are acting like a spoiled 12 year old.
 
Ok, this is my first post on these forums. I've been here on several occasions for the past couple years. I don't usually post on forums, I prefer to just read. I guess you can call me a "lurker." Forgive me if this is long, but I have some things to say.

These last couple days have really tested my patience. I keep reading posts from those who are not having problems with the game basically telling those of us that are that these bugs are to be expected and to stop whining. Now I know not everyone who isn't having bugs is saying that and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular that is doing it so just don't even bother telling me if it was or was not you. I don't care. (Isn't it sad that I actually have to put this?)

I have been a huge fan of CIV since the early days of CIV I. It is by far my favorite all time video game. CIV IV has let me down. The actual game play is very fun, when I get to play it. I finished an epic speed game in a little over 4 hours. I don't care for the fast game very much. I prefer the slower game, but that's just my opinion. For the next game, I'll just slow it down. There's a lot to this game and it's going to be a lot of fun discovering it all.

That being said, there's also some bugs, whether some of you want to admit it or not. I have read several times that those that aren't having any problems are playing the game and not posting on forums. The funny thing is that these posts are authored by those who are not having problems. How can you say that those who are not having problems are playing the game and not posting when you are here posting? You're contradicting yourself. Also, several are saying that the game is running smoothly for the vast majority of people that bought it. How do you know? What are your sources? Did you find a poll? Several from both sides have posted percentages that are just ridiculous. It reminds me of the fact that 72% of all statistics are made up on the spot...

I noticed the first problem that everyone else noticed. My install disk is actually the play disk. I spent a couple seconds searching the box for another compartment that had the remaining disk. Once I saw that it was actually the install disk that I needed to play, I laughed. No, this isn't a big deal but it's not something that should have happened. It's the small details that will make or kill anything. My tech tree poster is in English. Not that I really care. I don't use the thing, so I could really care less. That doesn't mean that other people don't. That's also something that there's just no excuse for. Again, it's the small details.

I get the game installed, then come the technical problems. I tried to watch the lead-in movie and the stuttering sound just made it unbearable. I've always enjoyed the lead-in movies provided in CIV. It was disappointing, but something I can live with. I choose my starting options and then click launch. During the world generation stage where the history of the world is being told (the same from CIV I if anyone remembers), the game kind of hangs. I'm staring at the screen and it says done, but I have to wait a few minutes before the "Play Game" button appears. This was further than my dad was able to make it. He got the CIV IV title and the globe, but no menu as several others have posted. After updating his drivers, he was able to move on.

When I finally got into the game, I was pretty impressed by what I saw. The game is gorgeous. Everything from the flowing rivers to the sheep bouncing around. It's very nice to see. Too bad it doesn't last. There's been many occasions where my computer has frozen when I receive a new advance. If it doesn't completely freeze up then it takes about five minutes for the window to actually appear. When I try to load a saved game, it takes about 8-9 minutes on average for it to fully load. Sometimes less, sometimes more. The screen gets to the "done" stage pretty quickly, but then I have to sit and stare at it for several minutes before it will actually load the game.

There's been a few other bugs, but they have all been mentioned by other people in other posts. Funny how so many people are having the same problems. As far as my dad goes, he has one major problem when he tries to play. After about 5-10 minutes, his system either crashes to the desktop, or reboots its self. He took his game back to Gamestop today and had to argue with the lady for an hour before she would give him his money back. He's the one that got me started on CIV I, and he has now swore off the CIV series forever. What a shame.

Why am I pissed? Because I paid $50 for a game that has so many bugs, it's frustrating to try to play it. I didn't pay $50 to buy a game and wait for the patch so I can play it. I didn't pay $50 to do the job of the testers and QA. I paid $50 for a finished product. My system meets or exceeds the RECOMMENDED requirements. It should run flawlessly on my system. If more "power" is needed, then it should say so right on the box.

I tried looking in the manual for possible fixes. On page 9 under the "Starting a Game" section, the last sentence says, "If it does not do so, see the Tech Support section of this manual." If someone can find the "Tech Support" section in the manual, please let me know where it is. I found the "Product Support" section on the last page which has the phone number that everyone has called. I'm in that same group and have received the same "please call back in 24hrs" response that everyone else seems to have gotten. Awesome.

I had planned on being more active on this website when CIV IV came out. I wanted to join the forums and participate in the GOTM. After seeing the way some of the people that have had problems have been talked to, I may have to reconsider. I thought this was a friendly place, but I can see that I am mistaken. If you don't have anything better to say than to call the ones with the bugged copies whiners or morons, then shut up and go play your bug-free CIV IV. To those of you who have offered sincere help, thank you very much. Your help, even if it doesn't work, is greatly appreciated.

I mentioned this over at Apolyton, and I'll mention it here. It's funny how Take-Two Interactive (TTWO) stock dropped $0.32 today. 1.59%. This only one day after CIV IV is released. http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?...symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&selected=TTWO Shouldn't that say something?
 
This topic is for whinny people.

i installed the game and ran smoothly not a care in the world. Only BUT is that you MUST install the DirectX that commes with the game, otherwise you get some trouble with that. Appart from this little bump i found the rest of the game, so far, pretty streamlined. No need going to soem GameSpy website to get an acou8nt, thats all Civ intigrated. You're only clue its gamespy is a little logo in the bottom right or left..i forgot :p

Multiplayer runs smooth, singleplayer runs smooth. Its juz a bit of getting sued to the new interface but that didnt take at all long, since i tottaly got dragged in this LAN-game with a friend. The AI is also alot smarter, they will ask you for stuff if you are stronger, but only as a favor. They seem to care for the people of the same religion and dislike those of another religion. If they feel you are trading with there worst enemies, they would even demand you to halt. But they wont get pushy if they know they are weaker then you.

They aftually break up alot more of there own trades, like horses for iron if they need it, and also make it alot more fair. Unlike in Civ3 where they would also demand like 5gold/turn they are even willing to pay YOU 5gold/turn if they really need it. The cooperative war is also alot more fun, since its possible for me to defend and undefended city of my allies by placing my soldier in there city, when i take a city back for my ally he had lost i can also give it back immediatly. And i played for 7 straigth hours yesterday, and this DirectX install was the ONLY bug i encountered. Wich ws solved by simpyl agreeing to instal the Civ4 DirectX, took me about 30sec.
 
Likewise, this is my first post and I just want to suggest that you google for "Omega Drivers" if you have an nVidia or ATI card. The Omega Drivers are unofficial modifications of official drivers which often end up being considerably faster and more stable. I couldn't get Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory to work on my machine using the official nVidia (I run a GeForce Go Fx5600) but it ran perfectly using the Omega Drivers. Give them a go.
 
I downloaded the Omega driver and it did help with the sound stuttering. It didn't completely solve the problem, but it most certainly helped it. Instead of the stuttering happening every 1-2 seconds, it's more like every 10-15 seconds. I've only checked the opening animations and the lead-in. I haven't tried it on the wonders yet. Thanks for the info.
 
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